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Manager Thomas Frank
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You should find the next plane to Outer Mongolia, fuck off and live there, and remove all access to the internet so we never read your turd posts again
For me the context is important.
If we finish, say, 10th but in the final 2 months of the season it's clear we're really clicking, we put in some strong performances and there's a sense we're growing as a team then I'll be far more content to give him another season.
If we finish 8th but the football is dire throughout, our points don't feel deserved and there's a general sense of malaise among the fans and the players then I wouldn't mind us moving him on if there's a good replacement willing to come.
I doubt if it were still top 6-8, home form or otherwise
As if it’s just the manager and not an array of contributors; time, injuries, calibre of players, board make up etc.
He's just not gonna get sacked though unless things get really really toxic (in which case I probably agree with you).
You're pissing in the wind if you think this is another Nuno situation and they're gonna give him the boot mid-season after a few bad results. This is more akin to Amorim at United - the new leadership group have pinned their reputation on this guy and they're gonna give him some time to adjust even if it takes a while.
It's fine to not like the football but just feels excessively negative and doom-mongering to be calling for the new guy's head so soon, especially when it's so unlikely to even happen. I don't think anyone on here is loving the football so far but I'd much rather live in hope while there is some rather than writing Frank off at the first opportunity.
Frank's not gonna have us playing liquid football - that's not his thing - but I'm positive that, if given time and backing, he'll have us playing much better than we've looked so far this season. It might not be good enough to match our ambitions but I don't think he's some completely negative dinosaur like you're making out.
Been here less than half a year
I think it's more of a situation, that the cluster-fuck of last season, the state the squad is in, the mess the club is in, is not something that anyone could solve overnight.
It was always going to be about stability and building a solid block to build from.
I never expected us to play the football, I would like to play, free flowing attacking football.
And it will be a lengthy program.
No one knows if Frank is the manager that guide us to heights of peak Poch. Only time knows that answer.
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Well for all the 'this fan base is cooked' stuff, the poll proves it's basically just a tiny number of very impatient bellends that actually want him gone (and you'll get in any fan base).
If people wanna criticise him, moan about the style of football, whatever - go for it. But calling for a guy's head after 11 games given the start we've had (5th place and unbeaten in CL), our injuries, settling in a new attack and the lack of alternative managers on the market...it's just mental.
If people wanna criticise him, moan about the style of football, whatever - go for it. But calling for a guy's head after 11 games given the start we've had (5th place and unbeaten in CL), our injuries, settling in a new attack and the lack of alternative managers on the market...it's just mental.
Yeah exactly. The doomsters might be right and he could well prove to be a bad appointment. But regardless we should get behind the guy and give him time. He needs and deserves it given the situation.
Can't ever quite understand why fans feel the need to shit on our managers like "going first" is some sort of badge of honour.
There's a significant part or our fanbase who were so anti our last manager it become an obsession to the extent they sacrificed any joy in our greatest achievement for 40 years. Their entire identity was locked into being anti-manager they continue to this very day to pooh pooh a goddam European Trophy.
Spurs fans. Doing the job of scum fans; by denigrating a European trophy.
If that wasn't a cautionary tale - I don't know what else you fuckers need.
There's a significant part or our fanbase who were so anti our last manager it become an obsession to the extent they sacrificed any joy in our greatest achievement for 40 years. Their entire identity was locked into being anti-manager they continue to this very day to pooh pooh a goddam European Trophy.
Spurs fans. Doing the job of scum fans; by denigrating a European trophy.
If that wasn't a cautionary tale - I don't know what else you fuckers need.
Just making a decision and sticking with it because you don't want to look silly won't end well. Even the best laid plans just don't work out for whatever reason, which I fear this appointment won't. Amorim isn't well liked, and United aren't a club we should looking to match.
I can't see the board sitting and doing nothing if we start to slide down the table and the match going fans start to get antsy, which is well under way already. If there was anything to like, fair enough, but stats say we're not just bad, we're bad bad. It's not negative dinosaur football, we can't even do that properly.
If our short/medium term ambition is to finish bottom half and play the worst type of football we've ever seen, then I guess their whole "we want to win" stuff was nonsense. Like there's negative football, and there's this. It's not good enough for a PL club, never mind a club this size. He was appointed to play attacking football, which he said himself, improves players, which hasn't happened what so ever and he adapts his tactics, which we're yet to see after the first two games of the season.
I'm not doom mongering. Whether I don't like his football is irrelevant and the board aren't going to look at my posts and sack him, but there's absolutely no chance the club aren't looking at the data right now and making contingency plans. You really can't ignore the underlying stats that say we're massively outperforming our output at both ends of the pitch. Our luck dries up and we're firmly bottom half. Regardless of the state of the squad, that is not good enough
Mistakes can be made and resolved in less than a year. Sackings in football in that span aren't exactly uncommon.
Slot's under pressure and he won the league last season fs. Big clubs need to act like big clubs.
The thing is you're acting like what we've seen so far is the finished product and the type of football Frank wants us to play long term.
If that does prove to be the case, then you'll be proven right and he'll either be sacked when things get toxic or replaced at the end of the season.
I think there's a very reasonable chance we gradually improve and the numbers get better over the course of the season as players gel, he adjusts the system, injured players return and we make signings. Admittedly that was also the hope many people had under Ange, but the difference is Ange was a pure idealist who would barely adapt as a point of pride. The hope is that Frank can and will adapt.
Glasner and Iraola had absolutely abysmal spells early on in their respective careers at Palace and Bournemouth - miles worse results-wise than Frank. Sometimes you gotta give managers time for things to click.
EDIT: Frank's actually renowned for being a slow starter at clubs - took a while to get going at both Brentford and Brondby - so at least we've got some decent points to show for our shoddy performances.
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But anti Ange was something that happened over two years.
People gave him time, and he fucked it up completely. Losing 22 league games in a season.
We was luck that the three teams that came up, were the worst in PL history.
We have a horrible record of being the team with most losses to stay up.
Okay, we win a cup, fantastic night, but doesn't hide the shower of shit we was in the league, how appalling we we were in the final, the complete lack of effort in the 2nd leg against Liverpool, and the rest of horrid cesspit of vomit that was served up through the rest of the season.
Frank is nowhere near that shit, that Ange served up. And its going to take time and patience to deal with mess Ange, Levy, and the rest of the pricks left behind.
So you don't care so much about the league position providing you can see the team is heading statistically in the right direction. In such case you'd be happy to have Frank again next season but you don't see anything to make you think he's capable.
The statistic about the 4 through balls all season so far is mainly because the attacks are usually via the wide players, we're a simple team, we don't have much guile. Since Son left I don't recall seeing a stepover, a nutmeg, any sort of feint, not anything that is going to confuse a defender into opening up some space. We're basic, we're being solid, no fancy stuff, rather than a through ball, we'll blast a shot like Tel and Odobert did successfully against Manchester United last week, there's a fair chance of a deflected shot wrong footing the goalkeeper, trying a clever through ball or something else is just going to be collected by the goalkeeper unless it's perfectly executed.
Maybe that's just the short term plan IDK.
You’re a clown and I’m delighted that this thread has exposed you to even more posters.
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