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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Unpopular opinion:

Ange is a better manager than Frank. He had a winner's mentality. Frank has a loser's mentality.

It was right to sack Ange at the time, but Frank is a downgrade.
 
Engorged Onion said:
I only dropped in to see how things were going in the Post-Ange era… and, right on cue, the oldest tune in football starts playing: “the coach is out of his depth.”


It’s a comforting story, but not a truthful one.


The coach is rarely the problem. What undoes teams like Spurs, Chelsea, Everton — take your pick — isn’t a lack of tactical IQ; it’s a lack of structural patience. You can’t change direction every 18 months and expect continuity. You can’t hire for one philosophy, sack it mid-cycle, and then complain the new one doesn’t “fit.”


Every manager inherits half a squad built for someone else, with a fanbase that’s been emotionally reset to zero. It’s not that they’re out of their depth — it’s that they’re swimming in a pool that keeps being drained and refilled.


Modern football’s biggest illusion is that “the right manager” can outthink instability. The truth is, even the best drown when the environment won’t hold.


And with Ange? They had someone who did have a plan. Maybe not perfect, maybe rough around the edges — but a clear, brave identity that needed time.. got a trophy- and was soley focused on that with all the injuries...


They fucked it with Ange.
Anyone can see that.
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The Derangers will dismiss this post because they're Derangers but the central message is 💯 spot fucking on.

We are stuck in a never ending cycle of renewal/destruction, lurching from one wildly differing managerial philosophy to another with no sense of continuity, identity or semblance of a coherent plan. You use Ange as an example but you could just as easily go back to replacing Poch with Mourinho, or Redknapp with AVB etc etc etc...

A chaotic ownership and a fanbase addicted to sacking managers. We kind of deserve it tbh.
 
Fattynomates said:
I’m sure the millionaire goalkeeper slept fine in his mansion last night, jus another day at the office for these lot
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Why you watching his pockets for?

Right is right and wrong is wrong. Is it alright to randomly call a billionaire a "fucking pussy" because of his wealth and nothing else?

It's counter productive to start booing a player after a mistake. You think booing will get him to a good mental state for the rest of the game?
 
Blanchflower said:
That's all fine - but what are the fans supposed to do when the team has lost the game yesterday within 5 minutes?...
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We still had around 85 minutes left after that early goal. Who knows, if we’d taken those first five minutes and started bellowing out songs of support from our song sheets, it might have spurred a quick reply back or a goal back before half time that starts a wave. What I do know is that the reaction we actually had didn’t change the outcome. Constant booing just ramps up tension and leads to safe, uninspired football for the rest of the match. Maybe it’s time to try something different, support that actually helps rather than hinders.
 
Beni said:
We still had around 85 minutes left after that early goal. Who knows, if we’d taken those first five minutes and started bellowing out songs of support from our song sheets, it might have spurred a quick reply back or a goal back before half time that starts a wave. What I do know is that the reaction we actually had didn’t change the outcome. Constant booing just ramps up tension and leads to safe, uninspired football for the rest of the match. Maybe it’s time to try something different, support that actually helps rather than hinders.
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We've tried that countless times in the last 3 wins from 23 home league games - hasn't worked in any of them
 
Fattynomates said:
As soon as you turn on the fans that’s it , unacceptable from the fans? It’s unacceptable to setup like he did in a NLD! That’s the final line for me, don’t you dare question the fans you useless prick!
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Booing an individual player is absolutely the lowest!

I’ve now heard his presser about it and nothing he said was out of order IMHO.

He also has a degree of responsibility to protect the player.
 
CroSpurs said:
I would boo Vicario if I was on the stadium too. He’s always yelling at someone when we concede, yet, when he makes mistakes, we should get behind him? Fuck him, I have a lot of time for players that are behaving well, but that cunt makes my blood boil with his reactions and blaming everyone but himself.
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I want Vicario gone but booing him during the game is absolutely nonsensical!
 
BJK said:
Said this before: Endlessly denigrating the squad to shield Frank is a dangerous game, a slippery slope whose logical conclusion would be to commit to a kind of revisionism regarding last season and the previous manager as well. Do it at your risk.

Focusing specifically on Solanke, Son, Maddison and Kulusevski would be the obvious cop-out since they were mostly available last season unlike this season, but then none of these guys were held in that high of a regard. Son was washed, Maddison was a fairweather player, Kulusevski was a one footed plodder, and Solanke was just running around a bit.

So their absences can't be that bad.

Hint: There's an easy way out of this ostensible conundrum, which is to simply acknowledge that Frank is also not doing a good job. But if you, instead of staying grounded in your support and belief initially, have already chosen him as your hill to die on for God knows why, then you cannot really back out now without losing face.

Some people, and maybe the same people in some cases, went through the exact same thing 12 months ago; and chose to escalate their commitment to the manager at the expense of embarrassing themselves further.
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Good post.

I can never understand why people find it so difficult to change their stance.

It doesn't necessarily mean their opinion won't be valued just because they've changed their mind

You have to evaluate the evidence objectively and so far Frank looks out of his depth.

I really wanted him to succeed here. He spoke well initially and I was really welcoming the shoring up of our defense.

But not at the expense of playing good attacking football. The eye test is horrible, the attacking stats and xg are horrible.

Every fucking metric is horrible.

Albeit we're not even at the half way point in his first season but the overwhelming evidence isn't good at all.

The powers that be will be more than concerned at this point. Ticket sales falling. Players publicly shunting the manager, the manager swiping at the fans (in fairness the booing of vicario was wrong)

Saying it now, I think he'll be gone before we play Liverpool at home.

3 more defeats will do it.
 
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kingdawson said:
Do you not see that it's counter productive to boo your own goalkeeper after he's made a mistake?

That being said we were absolutely shit and he needs to sort it or he'll be gone.
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The number of "fans" we have who think a manager should be happy with the crowd booing individual players after a mistake is quite staggering. Any manager who didn't defend his players from that would lose the dressing room instantly and rightly so.
 
_mehstg said:
Won our first trophy for 20 odd years. Was that not progress?
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Tactically, there was no progress from when he first arrived. Sitting 17th in the Prem is really the picture, you should be looking at.

Lucky draws (e.g. Bodø in the semis) and lucky results (e.g. Eintracht away) gave us the Europa League. The final against United was two very poor teams in horrible form. Not that it wasn't a great achievement, but the context is quite important.
 
Tottenham Massive said:
His philosophy is not suited to a big 6 club who should be expected to dominate most of the opposition they face rather than approaching each game as the under dog hoping to nick results against the run of play.
He was a shocking appointment.
. The club needs to raise its standards, starting with the manager, or things are gonna get very ugly, very quickly and stadium will be half empty.
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Maybe you're right, but I'm not going to make a judgement when we're not even half way through the season.
 
latman said:
Good post.

I can never understand why people find it so difficult to change their stance.

It doesn't necessarily mean their opinion won't be valued just because they've changed their mind

You have to evaluate the evidence objectively and so far Frank looks out of his depth.

I really wanted him to succeed here. He spoke well initially and I was really welcoming the shoring up of our defense.

But not at the expense of playing good attacking football. The eye test is horrible, the attacking stats and xg are horrible.

Every fucking metric is horrible.

Albeit we're not even at the half way point in his first season but the overwhelming evidence isn't good at all.

The powers that be will be more than concerned at this point. Ticket sales falling. Players publicly shunting the manager, the manager swiping at the fans (in fairness the booing of vicario was wrong)

Saying it now, I think he'll be gone before we play Liverpool at home.

3 more defeats would be will do it.
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100%.
 
Beni said:
Personally, I don’t think he has. It feels far more like the fans have lost the players. When you’ve got Spence, Van de Ven and now Porro in recent weeks choosing not to applaud the crowd after matches, and players like Sarr and Johnson reluctant to celebrate their goals, that tells you everything about where their heads are at, rightly or wrongly. Constant booing and criticism for every bad performance doesn’t build confidence, it wipes it out. You end up with players doing nothing but the safest, most risk free options - slow, sideways passing and everyone trying to avoid being the next one singled out by the crowd. It shows in the numbers too, the confidence simply isn’t there, which matches the xG we’re seeing at Tottenham versus the high xG he was consistently generating at Brentford.
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Ding a fucking ling!

I’m sure it’s a major reason for our poor form.

I’m sure it also provides a boost to the opposition because they know the fans will get on the teams back if they get about them.
 
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