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Manager Thomas Frank

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Will be interesting to see if Frank adapts his approach at Spurs.

At Brentford, they topped the stats for long passes, time spent in the defensive 3rd, and outside of the relegated teams, had the lowest number of touches in the opposition 3rd. It was very much a sit back and chase long balls system. Brentford also had the 2nd lowest number of players dispossessed - suggesting a very conservative, risk-free approach.

The long ball approached worked with Toney & Wissa who could hold the ball up, and with Schade who could win headers. But I am not sure if Spurs have the players for this outside of Richy. Kudus for instance only won 20% of his headers last season (just 11 headers won all season) - which puts him in the top 5 worst headers of the ball in the league (Eze is number 1! haha).

Brentford were one of the few teams we outplayed last year.
They were an awful watch at WHL - lumping it ling and relying on set pieces..

I hope it's not his natural default.
 
Brentford were one of the few teams we outplayed last year.
They were an awful watch at WHL - lumping it ling and relying on set pieces..

I hope it's not his natural default.

It is a pretty established tactic for those teams looking to simply survive in the premier league to play in that way. Those teams that try to play good football (Leeds, Southampton, Burnley, Spurs) are often punished as they do not have good enough players to avoid individual errors.

The worry is that Frank has never played in Europe, and has never managed a team playing good football. Brentford had some of the lowest passing stats and spent the majority of games camped in their 1 8-yard box.

Our best players (Son, VDV, Romero, Porro, Madds, Kulu, Bent) are suited to a high possession passing style - and god forbid we ask Vicario to spend 90 minutes defending crosses and corners!
 
It is a pretty established tactic for those teams looking to simply survive in the premier league to play in that way. Those teams that try to play good football (Leeds, Southampton, Burnley, Spurs) are often punished as they do not have good enough players to avoid individual errors.

The worry is that Frank has never played in Europe, and has never managed a team playing good football. Brentford had some of the lowest passing stats and spent the majority of games camped in their 1 8-yard box.

Our best players (Son, VDV, Romero, Porro, Madds, Kulu, Bent) are suited to a high possession passing style - and god forbid we ask Vicario to spend 90 minutes defending crosses and corners!
He’s also not managed a dressing room of internationals who have worked with top managers.

He’s a risk, like any new manager, and the blind optimism many have that he can instantly improve on Ange is odd. Yes his tactics will be less wild, and we will set up more traditionally, but he’s quite a unique character and there’s a chance they think he’s inauthentic and players take the piss out of the Scandinavian and find him aloof and lacking gravitas

Signing four of five first teamers give him a chance as a) they improve on poor performers like Son, Tel, Johnson and others and b) they are more likely to have loyalty to the mgr that brought them in
 
It is a pretty established tactic for those teams looking to simply survive in the premier league to play in that way. Those teams that try to play good football (Leeds, Southampton, Burnley, Spurs) are often punished as they do not have good enough players to avoid individual errors.

The worry is that Frank has never played in Europe, and has never managed a team playing good football. Brentford had some of the lowest passing stats and spent the majority of games camped in their 1 8-yard box.

Our best players (Son, VDV, Romero, Porro, Madds, Kulu, Bent) are suited to a high possession passing style - and god forbid we ask Vicario to spend 90 minutes defending crosses and corners!

We actually looked better, more comfortable playing in a counter attacking system as opposed to possession based, it was one of the many complaints about Ange as our players were dying on their arse because they simply weren't good enough on the ball to play his style.

Anyway this argument is a bit too simplistic, we have good footballers at our club with a manager with a track record of changing his style to match his opponents and also improving players he's worked with, the chances are is that we're gonna fare a tad better than last season and looking at what he's done at Brentford we will stay in a lot more matches and be competitive whilst the majority of players develop.

The point about European football is valid as it means less time to get your ideas across, less time on the training pitch but could also work in our favour as more games means more familiarity over a shorter period, let's just hope we have a healthy and big enough squad to compete.

After what we went through last season I don't really understand anyone having reservations about this manager and the up and coming season, it's virtually impossible to be as shit as we were last season and I'm actually looking forward to see what this coach and this coaching team gets out of our players.
 
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He’s also not managed a dressing room of internationals who have worked with top managers.

He’s a risk, like any new manager, and the blind optimism many have that he can instantly improve on Ange is odd. Yes his tactics will be less wild, and we will set up more traditionally, but he’s quite a unique character and there’s a chance they think he’s inauthentic and players take the piss out of the Scandinavian and find him aloof and lacking gravitas

Signing four of five first teamers give him a chance as a) they improve on poor performers like Son, Tel, Johnson and others and b) they are more likely to have loyalty to the mgr that brought them in

Could say the same about Slot, Arteta, Maresca, Poch etc...before they came in to their jobs, doesn't mean anything really.

Bottom line is that the vast majority of football players want to be enjoy their football and more often that not if your get buy in from your players then the chances are they will run through walls for you and develop

Frank strikes me as a warm character with emotional intelligence, we saw it at Brentford where his players constantly praised him for being hands on and he created that family vibe at Brentford where the players all worked for each other.

I've never heard anyone suggests he's aloof, the complete opposite in fact. AVB and Ten Hag were aloof managers because they weren't personable. Frank is a very personable and approachable manager.

Put it this way, this lot got taken in by Ange despite being the best part of complete toss for 18 months and we were losing matches for the majority and whilst they got worse and stagnated, I expect these players to be taken in by Frank and I don't expect us to be anywhere near as bad as we were last season so it's a win/win as far as I'm concerned.
 
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We actually looked better, more comfortable playing in a counter attacking system as opposed to possession based, it was one of the many complaints about Ange as our players were dying on their arse because they simply weren't good enough on the ball to play his style.

Anyway this argument is a bit too simplistic, we have good footballers at our club with a manager with a track record of changing his style to match his opponents and also improving players he's worked with, the chances are is that we're gonna fare a tad better than last season and looking at what he's done at Brentford we will stay in a lot more matches and be competitive whilst the majority of players develop.

The point about European football is valid as it means less time to get your ideas across, less time on the training pitch but could also work in our favour as more games means more familiarity over a shorter period, let's just hope we have a healthy and big enough squad to compete.

After what we went through last season I don't really understand anyone having reservations about this manager and the up and coming season, it's virtually impossible to be as shit as we were last season and I'm actually looking forward to see what this coach and this coaching team gets out of our players.

History has shown us, if you want to actually WIN stuff, you need to play modern, progressive football. In the Premier League era, only Leicester have won a title playing kick and rush - in a season where every major team was performing a rebuild.

Sitting back, defending and hoping to score on set pieces will probably mean you lose less games - but it also means you will draw more games and garner less points - not enough to challenge for a title.

Under Ange, we did see that our best players were good enough; and had they not got injured we were well placed to finish inside the top 4 both seasons. Unfortunately, Spurs 'backup' players weren't anywhere the level of our best 11.

Hopefully Frank is given the players he needs; and isn't expected to play 18-year-olds with no prem experience to play backup to Romero and VDV.
 
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