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Manager Thomas Frank

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Just to temper 'expectations', on average the bookies' odds in the summer for top 4/5/6 finishes in the upcoming season tend to be reasonably reflective of what actually happens, and therefore are a reasonable proxy for genuine probability.

For top 5 (which was someone's criteria for success vs failure on the previous page), most have Spurs at between 2.9 and 3.25 (so between 15/8 and 9/4), meaning a 31-35% chance of us finishing in the top 5.

That being the case, it seems to me that anyone claiming Frank's first season would be a 'failure' if we don't finish top 5 is either wilfully ignoring the proven previous accuracy of the odds of whole season position betting, or deliberately setting unrealistic expectations so that they can claim disappointment when those expectations are not achieved.

Incidentally, our top 6 odds are about 38-50%, so moving closer to a realistic expectation, (proxy) statistically speaking.
 
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scarletjim said:
Just to temper 'expectations', on average the bookies' odds in the summer for top 4/5/6 finishes in the upcoming season tend to be reasonably reflective of what actually happens, and therefore are a reasonable proxy for genuine probability.

For top 5, most have Spurs at between 2.9 and 3.25 (so between 15/8 and 9/4), meaning a 31-35% chance of us finishing in the top 4.

That being the case, it seems to me that anyone claiming Frank's first season would be a 'failure' if we don't finish top 5 is either wilfully ignoring the proven previous accuracy of the odds of whole season position betting, or deliberately setting unrealistic expectations so that they can claim disappointment when those expectations are not achieved.

Incidentally, our top 6 odds are about 38-50%, so moving closer to a realistic expectation, (proxy) statistically speaking.
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Meh, it's just nonsense because people are comparing Ange's first season and expecting Frank to match or better totally ignoring the context of the other teams and the fact that we're in Europe as well, it's a non comparison and both should be judged by their own merits.

If Frank finished 6th but we get to the QF of the CL and perhaps the final of the Carabao it's somehow a 'shit' season ok then...:mourthumb:
 
Richard Arlison said:
What about the ones who were in the EL and got knocked out by worse teams?

Winning is binary mate. You win or you lose. That’s it.
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They never had luxury of putting full focus for half a year into EL.

It is truly binary if you are an absolute imbecile who understand world on 5yo level.
You know, when you do cannot understand difference of winning Champions League, Europa League, Audi Cup or League Two. Just based on your binary world view we had won trophy before - mentioned Audi cup. If it is binary - did we win a physical trophy then - yes. Thus winner.
But it is not as simple, is it?
 
TheSpurEst said:
They never had luxury of putting full focus for half a year into EL.

It is truly binary if you are an absolute imbecile who understand world on 5yo level.
You know, when you do cannot understand difference of winning Champions League, Europa League, Audi Cup or League Two. Just based on your binary world view we had won trophy before - mentioned Audi cup. If it is binary - did we win a physical trophy then - yes. Thus winner.
But it is not as simple, is it?
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Yes.
 
Shadydan said:
Could say the same about Slot, Arteta, Maresca, Poch etc...before they came in to their jobs, doesn't mean anything really.

Bottom line is that the vast majority of football players want to be enjoy their football and more often that not if your get buy in from your players then the chances are they will run through walls for you and develop

Frank strikes me as a warm character with emotional intelligence, we saw it at Brentford where his players constantly praised him for being hands on and he created that family vibe at Brentford where the players all worked for each other.

I've never heard anyone suggests he's aloof, the complete opposite in fact. AVB and Ten Hag were aloof managers because they weren't personable. Frank is a very personable and approachable manager.

Put it this way, this lot got taken in by Ange despite being the best part of complete toss for 18 months and we were losing matches for the majority and whilst they got worse and stagnated, I expect these players to be taken in by Frank and I don't expect us to be anywhere near as bad as we were last season so it's a win/win as far as I'm concerned.
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Yeah seems a good choice but not an easy club to manage like Liverpool and I think there’s a fair chance he’s gone by Xmas…. Should imagine it’s more likely he does ok but no means a formality
 
scarletjim said:
Just to temper 'expectations', on average the bookies' odds in the summer for top 4/5/6 finishes in the upcoming season tend to be reasonably reflective of what actually happens, and therefore are a reasonable proxy for genuine probability.

For top 5, most have Spurs at between 2.9 and 3.25 (so between 15/8 and 9/4), meaning a 31-35% chance of us finishing in the top 4.

That being the case, it seems to me that anyone claiming Frank's first season would be a 'failure' if we don't finish top 5 is either wilfully ignoring the proven previous accuracy of the odds of whole season position betting, or deliberately setting unrealistic expectations so that they can claim disappointment when those expectations are not achieved.

Incidentally, our top 6 odds are about 38-50%, so moving closer to a realistic expectation, (proxy) statistically speaking.
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It’s not just about Frank though

No Spurs manager should finish below 5th
 
This is how I think Frank starts the season

Vic
Porro Romero VDV Udogie
MGW Sarr
Maddison
Kudus Solanke Johnson

Porro overlaps Kudus who plays more in the half spaces. Johnson looks to run in behind Solanke, Udogie sits back a bit more and picks his moments to get forward. Maddison and MGW rotate 8/10 to spray passes. Sarr does all the b legwork
 
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