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[Deuterz]

This post doesnt really make any sense in the context of the fact that Brennan Johnson was our leading scorer last season.

1. He can't be considered a replacement for anyone - he was one of only 7 players who played more than 3,000 minutes last season. No matter what anyone here wants - he's very much integral to the future of this club in this next era.
2. He was our best goalscorer.

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If Brennan Johnson is going to be "Integral" to the future of this club then we may as well all just settle down for mid-table mediocrity for the forseeable.

It's like pretending Kevin Schade is a great player because he bagsed a bit, but with some extra goals against Minsk and FC trolodopolos on top.

 

[Deuterz]

Fucking christ - all this forum talked about for the last 8 months was how Son's legs were gone, he was past it, stayed too long, etc. etc.

Now the evil chairman is selling the good china out from under the nose of the new manager, leaving him with nothing to work with!

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Sons legs were gone. Those people were right. That's why he's going mate, because he knows that the legs are gone. But he still had quality in the final third (not in the brennan sense, in the actually could create out of nothing sense) which any actually elite club would be looking at replacing with a marquee level signing.

Where's the guy to come in and be what Son was, or something approaching it, for the next five, six seasons?

 

[LeParisien]

Sons legs were gone. Those people were right. That's why he's going mate, because he knows that the legs are gone. But he still had quality in the final third (not in the brennan sense, in the actually could create out of nothing sense) which any actually elite club would be looking at replacing with a marquee level signing.

Where's the guy to come in and be what Son was, or something approaching it, for the next five, six seasons?

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Some context for casual readers: Deuterz believes Tel and Odobert will get 10 or fewer goal contributions in the league this season between them.

 

[Deuterz]

Some context for casual readers: Deuterz believes Tel and Odobert will get 10 or fewer goal contributions in the league this season between them.

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They literally got 3 without penalties between them last season. There is no reason to believe they will get 10+ next season as neither of them are even remotely proven as productive at premier league level. Odobert has been in the prem for several seasons and has like four goals.

They might surprise and suddenly develop, but acting like that take is laughable when based on all established facts neither of them produce shit all is hilarious. You're not the objective one here. All you can point to is potential. I won't be shocked if I turn out wrong on that take but I won't be surprised if its the opposite or very close to it either.

 

[MemphisWill]

If Brennan Johnson is going to be "Integral" to the future of this club then we may as well all just settle down for mid-table mediocrity for the forseeable.

It's like pretending Kevin Schade is a great player because he bagsed a bit, but with some extra goals against Minsk and FC trolodopolos on top.

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Lol.

He scored against Brentford, United, Brighton, Villa, Fulham, City, Wolves (all finished ahead of us), Ipswich, and Southampton. We only lost 1 league match he scored in (and only drew 1) - quite good, considering we lost most of our matches.

In the EL he scored against Roma, Qarabag, and Ferancvaros. Then in the SF against Bodo, and the trophy winning goal against United (which whether we debate his touch or not - the goal doesn't happen without his run, regardless).

In 23-24 he got a goal and/or assist against: Palace, Wolves, City, Everton, Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton, Palace, Villa, Luton, West Ham, Liverpool, Burnley, Sheffield.

The only clubs that matter that he really hasn't gotten a goal or assist against are woolwich and chelsea...but no one else is doing particularly well against them for us either.

 

[LeParisien]

They literally got 3 without penalties between them last season. There is no reason to believe they will get 10+ next season as neither of them are even remotely proven as productive at premier league level. Odobert has been in the prem for several seasons and has like four goals.

They might surprise and suddenly develop, but acting like that take is laughable when based on all established facts neither of them produce shit all is hilarious. You're not the objective one here. All you can point to is potential. I won't be shocked if I turn out wrong on that take but I won't be surprised if its the opposite or very close to it either.

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Don’t be defensive. That’s your opinion and helps to explain your view.

I think if you look at contributions per minute then that changes the narrative and expectations. Tel didnt play a league game until after Valentines Day, Odobert played fewer minutes than Tel. They barely played in the league last season.

Your view assumes either injuries or zero progress from both.

You’ll be as shocked about them as you are about Johnson when he got 25 goal contributions this season. Not at all. Because your view is not changed by evidence.

 

[MemphisWill]

Sons legs were gone. Those people were right. That's why he's going mate, because he knows that the legs are gone. But he still had quality in the final third (not in the brennan sense, in the actually could create out of nothing sense) which any actually elite club would be looking at replacing with a marquee level signing.

Where's the guy to come in and be what Son was, or something approaching it, for the next five, six seasons?

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I don't know. But no one expected Son to become what he was, or Kane for that matter. Or Bale before them.

Not really sure what club people think this is. Spurs don't buy stars, Spurs develop stars.

 

[Deuterz]

Lol.

He scored against Brentford, United, Brighton, Villa, Fulham, City, Wolves (all finished ahead of us), Ipswich, and Southampton. We only lost 1 league match he scored in (and only drew 1) - quite good, considering we lost most of our matches.

In the EL he scored against Roma, Qarabag, and Ferancvaros. Then in the SF against Bodo, and the trophy winning goal against United (which whether we debate his touch or not - the goal doesn't happen without his run, regardless).

In 23-24 he got a goal and/or assist against: Palace, Wolves, City, Everton, Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton, Palace, Villa, Luton, West Ham, Liverpool, Burnley, Sheffield.

The only clubs that matter that he really hasn't gotten a goal or assist against are woolwich and chelsea...but no one else is doing particularly well against them for us either.

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"Lol"

How many of those goals were against Wolves, Ipswich and Southampton, champ? Was it 5 or 6? Can't remember. Was around half, lmao.

Thanks for supporting my point. A majority of his goals against teams who would look out of their depth in the championship, one that maybe bobbled off him against United and I'll give you Roma. Maybe.

He's a diabolically average footballer who I imagine will be in for next season as an impact sub because he can't influence games. I'm happy to win another bet with you on it. We've got one less player now in Son who can actually do footballer stuff and create chances and moments for Brennan so he will have to rely on maybe doing a bit more on the ball. Hard task as he can't dribble.

 

[Deuterz]

I don't know. But no one expected Son to become what he was, or Kane for that matter. Or Bale before them.

Not really sure what club people think this is. Spurs don't buy stars, Spurs develop stars.

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It's 2025, elite premier league clubs buy top tier players because the top premier league clubs have insane purchasing power and can do that.

We will go nowhere as a club if we only develop players and don't buy established top ones.

 

[MemphisWill]

"Lol"

How many of those goals were against Wolves, Ipswich and Southampton, champ? Was it 5 or 6? Can't remember. Was around half, lmao.

Thanks for supporting my point. A majority of his goals against teams who would look out of their depth in the championship, one that maybe bobbled off him against United and I'll give you Roma. Maybe.

He's a diabolically average footballer who I imagine will be in for next season as an impact sub because he can't influence games. I'm happy to win another bet with you on it. We've got one less player now in Son who can actually do footballer stuff and create chances and moments for Brennan so he will have to rely on maybe doing a bit more on the ball. Hard task as he can't dribble.

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Didn't need someone to create the chance for him today, did he?

 

[Deuterz]

Don’t be defensive. That’s your opinion and helps to explain your view.

I think if you look at contributions per minute then that changes the narrative and expectations. Tel didnt play a league game until after Valentines Day, Odobert played fewer minutes than Tel. They barely played in the league last season.

Your view assumes either injuries or zero progress from both.

You’ll be as shocked about them as you are about Johnson when he got 25 goal contributions this season. Not at all. Because your view is not changed by evidence.

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Johnson scored 11 and assisted 3 in the league. I've told you I'm not interested in mickey mouse competitions already.

Which is decent but outmatched by very many perfectly average premier league players, so no it doesn't change my view. Harvey Barnes would be a bagsman against Qarabag and Bodo too and he'd probably end up with 25+ in that scenario. And I think Harvey Barnes is very average, but at least can score quality goals of his own making .... unlike Brennan.

 

[Deuterz]

Didn't need someone to create the chance for him today, did he?

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As much as I'll question the pedigree of goals against Qarabag & co, they were at least competitive fixtures. This is going downhill.

 

[LeParisien]

Johnson scored 11 and assisted 3 in the league. I've told you I'm not interested in mickey mouse competitions already.

Which is decent but outmatched by very many perfectly average premier league players, so no it doesn't change my view. Harvey Barnes would be a bagsman against Qarabag and Bodo too and he'd probably end up with 25+ in that scenario. And I think Harvey Barnes is very average, but at least can score quality goals of his own making .... unlike Brennan.

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You don’t value winning goals in cups?

The goal that won us the Europa League?

This page is hilarious because you at once say that you only value goals in the PL, and then in the next breath say that half of Johnson’s PL goals don’t count because the teams would struggle in the Championship.

Any excuse to stick to your narrative.

 

[MemphisWill]

You don’t value winning goals in cups?

The goal that won us the Europa League?

This page is hilarious because you at once say that you only value goals in the PL, and then in the next breath say that half of Johnson’s PL goals don’t count because the teams would struggle in the Championship.

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Edit: Guess Kane was shit, too. Never scored in the big moments.

 

[Deuterz]

You don’t value winning goals in cups?

The goal that won us the Europa League?

This page is hilarious because you at once say that you only value goals in the PL, and then in the next breath say that half of Johnson’s PL goals don’t count because the teams would struggle in the Championship.

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They count, it's just when half your goals are against the bottom 4, 3 of which were so obviously championship standard they were basically down within a few months, its pretty questionable.

If you want me to pretend I think Brennan Johnson is great because the ball maybe bobbled off him in a cup final then sure. I don't. I judge him by watching him play and don't rate him. He's good positionally and a decent sub, that's it. It's an opinion many on here share. I don't need you to tell me he scored 25 against Coventry and Qarabag because it means nothing to me, I watched it happen.

 

[Deuterz]

Edit: Guess Kane was shit, too. Never scored in the big moments.

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Kane scored against basically every premier league club, scored against Barcelona, Juventus etc in the champions league (goals of actual quality btw if you go and watch them, absolute demon finishes, nothing laid on a plate) and could ping passes around to create for teammates whilst being a generally incredibly accomplished footballer. That goal he scored against an actually decent Wolves team (curled in outside the box weak foot) is better technically than anything Brennan fucking Johnson will do in his career.

Dumb ass comparisons. Only an American could rate Brennan Johnson so highly because you guys live in the stats sheets when it comes to sport ... he's just a perfectly average premier league footballer of the Barnes ilk. Nothing more or less than that.

 

[MemphisWill]

Kane scored against basically every premier league club, scored against Barcelona, Juventus etc in the champions league (goals of actual quality btw if you go and watch them, absolute demon finishes, nothing laid on a plate) and could ping passes around to create for teammates whilst being a generally incredibly accomplished footballer. That goal he scored against an actually decent Wolves team (curled in outside the box weak foot) is better technically than anything Brennan fucking Johnson will do in his career.

Dumb ass comparisons. Only an American could rate Brennan Johnson so highly because you guys live in the stats sheets when it comes to sport ... he's just a perfectly average premier league footballer of the Barnes ilk. Nothing more or less than that.

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Scored in a cup final.

Kane can't say that.

 

[Deuterz]

Scored in a cup final.

Kane can't say that.

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Eder scored a brilliant goal in a much bigger cup final, he was still a crappy footballer who I wouldn't want at Spurs.

 

[Spaniel]

This post doesnt really make any sense in the context of the fact that Brennan Johnson was our leading scorer last season.

1. He can't be considered a replacement for anyone - he was one of only 7 players who played more than 3,000 minutes last season. No matter what anyone here wants - he's very much integral to the future of this club in this next era.
2. He was our best goalscorer.

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Not best..just the most prolific...

 

[MemphisWill]

Not best..just the most prolific...

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Well we don't get extra points based on degree of difficulty. It's not figure skating.