Traditionally its about 8 league games before the system should be pretty-well bedded in.
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Traditionally its about 8 league games before the system should be pretty-well bedded in.
Well we gave them 12 points under Ange so no change there then.
WHat is all this about offensively inept? We scored 3 goals away from home in our last league game and we have scored 8 goals so far. Only Liverpool, Woolwich and Chelsea have scored more with 9.
What exactly do you expect after 4 PL games?
It's going to take a long time to get us playing at the levels we should be playing consistently.
You, don't get over totally inept training for two or more years, over night. It's going to take time and patience.
But already, improvements are visible. Okay, we wasn't great or even good going forward at Villareal, but the defence wasn't shocking, and there were positive signs. And in no way was it as shyte as some of the dross that was served up for 80% of last season.
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Compare that to Ange standing there, hands in pockets like he’s in the lower tier of Park Lane. World of difference.
Do not go lightly into Bodo. They've shown how dangerous they are at home in european competitions last year.
You've got to admit, we should be doing better....
With a new manager, new coaching team, new system of play and a handful of new players; in the 5 games since the start of the premier league season we've conceded 1 goal and scored 9, where really we should have conceded 0 and score 33 by now!!
There's no pleasing some fans!
This comment by Nick W on the athletic summarises things very well.
"I think if you come into Spurs as a new manager and look at where to prioritise improvements after last season, making us defensively solid is the obvious first step. On top of that, as an opposition manager you’d have seen how weak we were at defending set pieces. We had a reputation for it, so it makes sense to focus on that early. It’s a relatively quick win because it’s more straightforward to organise and something you have to implement anyway. We were average on attacking set pieces and it seemed Frank had the playbook for this at Brentford so rinse and repeat with us.
That naturally leaves the attack. It’s worth remembering we’ve been pretty potent in recent years, finishing 5th for goals scored in 23/24 and 8th last season, which is what you’d expect under Ange’s style of play. So the order of priorities isn’t difficult to work out.
The encouraging thing is that Thomas Frank’s analysis is spot on and I always like when a manager highlights what we are seeing. We’ve got Justin Cochrane leading our attacking phase coaching and he’s got a massive reputation but will need time to put his work into place. The players also need time. So much of attacking play is about relationships and instinctively knowing where your teammates will be. Right now those connections are still developing and we don’t yet know our best XI.
There’s also some imbalance. With Spence and Simons on the left, ideally you’d want your wide player to be left-footed to stretch the pitch, rather than always drifting inside into traffic. Udogie getting more minutes will help. We don’t really have a specialist left winger, except arguably Odobert who is further down the pecking order. Johnson hasn’t convinced there, and while Tel can play wide, like Kolo Muani he looks more natural through the middle. Not addressing this properly in the window was a miss, but Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Up front the striker situation is equally tricky. Dom and Richy have some similarities, but Kolo Muani is a completely different profile and much more effective against high lines when there’s space in behind. In some ways that variety is a strength because it gives us options depending on the opponent, but it also makes adaptation harder. Add in the need to rotate to compete on four fronts and it becomes a tough puzzle to solve.
All things considered, to be playing as we are and still picking up wins is incredible. Excited for what’s to come. COYS"
Tottenham need patience while their attack takes time to gel
"I think if you come into Spurs as a new manager and look at where to prioritise improvements after last season, making us defensively solid is the obvious first step. On top of that, as an opposition manager you’d have seen how weak we were at defending set pieces. We had a reputation for it, so it makes sense to focus on that early. It’s a relatively quick win because it’s more straightforward to organise and something you have to implement anyway. We were average on attacking set pieces and it seemed Frank had the playbook for this at Brentford so rinse and repeat with us.
That naturally leaves the attack. It’s worth remembering we’ve been pretty potent in recent years, finishing 5th for goals scored in 23/24 and 8th last season, which is what you’d expect under Ange’s style of play. So the order of priorities isn’t difficult to work out.
The encouraging thing is that Thomas Frank’s analysis is spot on and I always like when a manager highlights what we are seeing. We’ve got Justin Cochrane leading our attacking phase coaching and he’s got a massive reputation but will need time to put his work into place. The players also need time. So much of attacking play is about relationships and instinctively knowing where your teammates will be. Right now those connections are still developing and we don’t yet know our best XI.
There’s also some imbalance. With Spence and Simons on the left, ideally you’d want your wide player to be left-footed to stretch the pitch, rather than always drifting inside into traffic. Udogie getting more minutes will help. We don’t really have a specialist left winger, except arguably Odobert who is further down the pecking order. Johnson hasn’t convinced there, and while Tel can play wide, like Kolo Muani he looks more natural through the middle. Not addressing this properly in the window was a miss, but Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Up front the striker situation is equally tricky. Dom and Richy have some similarities, but Kolo Muani is a completely different profile and much more effective against high lines when there’s space in behind. In some ways that variety is a strength because it gives us options depending on the opponent, but it also makes adaptation harder. Add in the need to rotate to compete on four fronts and it becomes a tough puzzle to solve.
All things considered, to be playing as we are and still picking up wins is incredible. Excited for what’s to come. COYS"
Tottenham need patience while their attack takes time to gel
Makes a difference to fans and how the coach feels. Frank himself admitted in that Carrick interview that the players mostly don’t hear him and the difference he can make from there is negligible
Sidebar: it’s 2025 and we still don’t have coaching timeouts in football. Such a no brainer to add.
He took Palhinha off? Or do you mean he brought Palhinha on? That move wasn't meant to make the attack fluid, which was my point. That was Frank's way of slowly shutting up shop and trying to play on the break. Palhinha was never going to go as high as Sarr and Bentancur was then playing even deeper to help the CBs.
Mate, don't engage - they are just one of those posters that just like to fucking moan and will always find a way to.
If we had lost, fans would not feel any differently, the haters would just be mocking how he was running around doing all that stuff for no reason
quite, there's been a screeching handbreak turn on last season. new players too ofc
I would point out that weve done a helluva site better in the first few than in Frank's start at BFC where I think he lost almost all the first 10
It is blatantly obvious, isn’t it?
He is trying to set us up to make us hard to beat, Mickey Van der Ven set after the game on Tuesday they want to be a team that are horrible to play against and teams might want to face us, then when that is set up I suspect we will add to the team in an attacking fashion layer by layer. Sensibly, it isn’t going to happen overnight. If you try to do it all in one go it is just going to cause mayhem and make the team very erratic.
If he can make me think it’s worthwhile to go to games and that we arent going to concede lots of goals or lose before we’ve even kicked off then he's doing his job. So far so good.
It is a month into the season.
I disagree, I thought it was utter shite and if Villareal had anything about them we'd have been battered. It's way too pragmatic. There is no flare and no idea what you were watching but I saw no positive signs. Just midfielders running around a bit aimlessly. The biggest cheer of the night was when Palhinha went full steam into a 50/50 late in the game and came away with the ball... carried about 30 yards and then shit himself. I'm sorry, Scandiball is not for me.
It’s early for this mate
I don’t think Frank will ever make us peak Barcelona with the ball but we’re definitely going to improve. There’s a lot of new cogs added to the starting 11, they will make us better just by building chemistry together. Frank’ is the type to study and learn the patterns of play he needs to fit the players he has.
You can’t play champagne football every week and even when you do, it doesn’t guarantee wins, it’s a massive positive that we have ways to win games whether we play our best or not.
And timeouts……….
Maybe they need to introduce a first down too.
Thinking about it 2 points from scoring outside the box and 3 points for scoring from your own half.
Hopefully the US World Cup and another tournament in the Middle East will bring this game into the 25th century!
Football should be about entertainment!!