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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Richard Arlison said:
Frank definitely doesn't need 12/18 months and he won't get that. By late November we will be seeing good football if we are ever going to see it. Maybe not consistently but we will see it.

Prime Poch was stodgy af regulary. I sat through some absolute turd in Wembley but we won games. At times we were amazing but the good memories for Poch seem to carry more nostalgia than the truth which was Poch was a pragmatist.
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November is too early. We don't have enough technically smart footballers in midfield and attack. Simons and Kudus are a big improvement but the rest are either young and inexperienced, inconsistent or bordering on brainless.

We shall see if we can improve in January but I think next summer we will make more improvements to the midfield and attack.
 
JDefoe said:
Tbf to Frank, our attacking play was horrible without Maddison the past two seasons, even playing “Angeball” with a more attacking setup.

Eternally underrated player. He made it all tick. I will miss you all season mate.
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Yes, because we have two creative players last season, Madders and Kulu. It's hard to play that way and even harder when our playmakers were Porro and Udogie. That shite only worked because Maddison dropped deep to take the ball and deliver, because there was a big void in our midfield all that season. But that wasn't what the Aussie master wanted and Maddison was eventually dropped for some games.
 
ElTel said:
November is too early. We don't have enough technically smart footballers in midfield and attack. Simons and Kudus are a big improvement but the rest are either young and inexperienced, inconsistent or bordering on brainless.

We shall see if we can improve in January but I think next summer we will make more improvements to the midfield and attack.
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Porro, Romero, Spence, Udogie, Solanke, Richarlison, Kolo Muani…

We have raised the technical floor of this squad massively.

I’m sure we will start to see better attacking displays before November but let’s not pretend we don’t know what this fanbase is like, there’s no way a lot of them won’t start complaining if we aren’t seeing signs of good attacking football before Christmas
 
Richard Arlison said:
Frank definitely doesn't need 12/18 months and he won't get that. By late November we will be seeing good football if we are ever going to see it. Maybe not consistently but we will see it.

Prime Poch was stodgy af regulary. I sat through some absolute turd in Wembley but we won games. At times we were amazing but the good memories for Poch seem to carry more nostalgia than the truth which was Poch was a pragmatist.
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17/18 and 18/19 we weren’t anywhere near as good as we were in 15/16 and 16/17 but we were putting 3 and 4 past teams for fun from early 2016 to like late 2017. 4-0 was a common scoreline for us around that time.

Also a lot of managers would use their post games to find different ways to say “they played us off the park, we couldn’t compete today”. Imo if we can get back to that with Frank that’s the dream
 
_mehstg said:
Not expecting prime Barca, prime Poch might be nice. The concern I have is that a few on here seem content with pragmatic football... I completely oppose the view that you can't be solid and entertaining and I also don't agree with this view that we will need 12/18 months before we see some sort of attacking chemistry. Last Saturday Woolwich had a new striker, new left wing, new right wing, new midfielder, didn't concede and probably should have won six of seven nil. Maybe what we are witnessing might actually be our best under Frank, and that there is no champagne football on the horizon and sooner rather than later there will be more Bournemouth type games than Burnley type games. Yes happy we are winning but this isn't sustainable in this league and I have yet to see anything to suggest Frank can hit Poch levels.
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Why talk about prime Poch? That peak period started when we beat City 4-1 in the 7th game of Poch's 2nd season. Frank has had 5 games. He may be great, he may not be but you cant come to any conclusion for a few months. You cant transform a side that finished 17th after 5/10/15 games.

Poch at this stage had 7 pts, performances had been mixed and folowing that we were then shocking for the next 7 or 8 games losing to WBA, Stoke and Newcastle at home.
 
Richard Arlison said:
We have timeouts and head coach challenges in other European sports.

Not everything American is bad.
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Yeah, I only say Americanization because American sports were innovators in this stuff in the 2000's and 2010's.

The instinct toward an exacting caution and perfectionism at the expense of chaos and flow is wrong and bad and misguided for all sports, but it's especially toxic for football, the game most based upon an open flow.

There are a lot of reason sports are doing this, but the fundamental one is that coaches and referees have a strong formal voice in deciding the rules, but the fans do not. And what sucks is this has created a Stockholm Syndrome in fans where they adopt the mentality of coaches and referees rather than acting as ourselves and fighting for our interest in the spirit of the game.

If we don't do it, no one else will.
 
FightingIllini said:
Yeah, I only say Americanization because American sports were innovators in this stuff in the 2000's and 2010's.

The instinct toward an exacting caution and perfectionism at the expense of chaos and flow is wrong and bad and misguided for all sports, but it's especially toxic for football, the game most based upon an open flow.

There are a lot of reason sports are doing this, but the fundamental one is that coaches and referees have a strong formal voice in deciding the rules, but the fans do not. And what sucks is this has created a Stockholm Syndrome in fans where they adopt the mentality of coaches and referees rather than acting as ourselves and fighting for our interest in the spirit of the game.

If we don't do it, no one else will.
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No argument from me on ANY of that.
 
Aphex said:
Similar for me. Frank has got me looking forward to the next game, confident, or optimistic at least, that we will see the team put in a performance and hard to beat and won't concede as many goals.

After the shit show of the last 2 years, really it's like Christmas right now. I posted on here many times last season that I had fallen out of love with football because of how shit we are, and Frank is bringing that excitement back.
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Forest got Angeballed in the cup game. I still can't believe people wanted him to stay.
 
_mehstg said:
Not expecting prime Barca, prime Poch might be nice. The concern I have is that a few on here seem content with pragmatic football... I completely oppose the view that you can't be solid and entertaining and I also don't agree with this view that we will need 12/18 months before we see some sort of attacking chemistry. Last Saturday Woolwich had a new striker, new left wing, new right wing, new midfielder, didn't concede and probably should have won six of seven nil. Maybe what we are witnessing might actually be our best under Frank, and that there is no champagne football on the horizon and sooner rather than later there will be more Bournemouth type games than Burnley type games. Yes happy we are winning but this isn't sustainable in this league and I have yet to see anything to suggest Frank can hit Poch levels.
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The point is Atteta has been there 5 years. Frank has been here 5 minutes ffs
 
Kosher Kid said:
Baseball would be my game if I were American.
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And to my point about these trends and homogenization in the global sports industry, I love baseball and I love football (those two and college American football are probably my three favorite sports) and their cultures and rhythms and experiences are PROFOUNDLY different and my enjoyment of following them is precisely BECAUSE they're different.

The people in charge have an instinct to sand down all the uniqueness and distinction between these "products" and "content" and they're completely wrong.

Anyway, it's very Thomas Frank to want timeouts being such a tinkerman in spirit, but his philosophical distaste for VAR and the game micromanagement impulse in football generally was one of the things I loved about Ange.
 
FightingIllini said:
And to my point about these trends and homogenization in the global sports industry, I love baseball and I love football (those two and college American football are probably my three favorite sports) and their cultures and rhythms and experiences are PROFOUNDLY different and my enjoyment of following them is precisely BECAUSE they're different.

The people in charge have an instinct to sand down all the uniqueness and distinction between these "products" and "content" and they're completely wrong.

Anyway, it's very Thomas Frank to want timeouts being such a tinkerman in spirit, but his philosophical distaste for VAR and the game micromanagement impulse in football generally was one of the things I loved about Ange.
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I think I completely agree.

When it was deemed necessary for English football to be changed, in the early 1990's, all that was really necessary was for membership schemes to be created at all English football clubs, safer improved standing areas and better security and stewarding arrangements.

This would have retained the unique atmosphere English football grounds had.

The hooligans needed removing from the stadiums.

That would have done.

Sadly the culture that existed has been progressively diluted until it now resembles the Glastonbury festival; which has undergone a similar transition.

Full of old wankers, who should have their place, but not at the expense of the young people who generate the atmosphere and passion because of their youth and enthusiasm.

They have been slowly killing the goose that layed the golden egg.

Levy getting out at the present time may be smart financial judgement.
 
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