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Manager Thomas Frank

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Getting angry about xG and xGA while ignoring actual goals and actual goals against is just not for me sorry. I honestly cannot fathom being happier with Anges expected output while losing almost every week home and away than Franks actual output.

When I make my fortnightly 300 mile round trip to the lane, I leave the spreadsheets and calculators at home.
 
Getting angry about xG and xGA while ignoring actual goals and actual goals against is just not for me sorry. I honestly cannot fathom being happier with Anges expected output while losing almost every week home and away than Franks actual output.

When I make my fortnightly 300 mile round trip to the lane, I leave the spreadsheets and calculators at home.
He's just being a miserable git.

Ignore him.

He'll come round eventually.
 
Fair enough, one word missing changes it to a contradiction. Good detective work.

My original post on this subject (way back when) was responding to a poster bigging up Frank's managerial record. I just stated that his record ain't as good as they were making out.

Anyway things snowballed from that but it's all good. There was no name calling or tantrums thrown.
 
He has had a whole pre season. It would be seriously impressive if our possession and attacking structures were halfway good as well as being defensively well structured. It's hardly genius to get a team bus parked, diving around making desperate blocks all over the place (especially against the likes of Leeds and Everton).

This time last year under "clueless" Ange we had an XGA of 9.69 and we'd played Newcastle away, Woolwich, Brighton away, ManU away, Palace away. And our XG was 19. It's currently (XGA) 10.70 and the only real tough game we've had is ManC away, we've played 6 of the bottom 8. Our XG is 11.25.

I'm not expecting miracles, or for us to become a great team suddenly, this group of personnel is individually deeply flawed. But this whole "he's worked miracles" is a bit bogus. He's doing a middling job. XPTS has us 11th, and on performances I reckon that would be about right.

Our midfield and forward play is non existent. Literally non existent. We are creating absolutely fuck all in open play. Our midfield create nothing - and fuck knows why he is constantly insisting on playing with a 10/ACM when it clearly isn't working.

As I said, I'm not expecting miracles, and I don't think we are seeing them. We are seeing compromises. We are seeing pragmatism. That's OK, especially after such a short time, but let's just call it what it is. And let's just hope he can expand it and scale it up into something more than we saw at Brentford.

Surely you'd consider Everton away and Brighton away tough fixtures?

Grounds we notoriously pick up few points. Both games we lost last season, compared to 4 points this season.

We are creating very little from open play (so are Woolwich) but breeding some defensive resilience into this team was absolutely necessary. And there's obviously compromises being made given the personnel.

Improving our attacking patterns is a complete work in progress. If we continue to pick up points at the rate we're doing Frank deserves plenty of patience
 
Getting angry about xG and xGA while ignoring actual goals and actual goals against is just not for me sorry. I honestly cannot fathom being happier with Anges expected output while losing almost every week home and away than Franks actual output.

When I make my fortnightly 300 mile round trip to the lane, I leave the spreadsheets and calculators at home.

At least when we go now we aren’t expecting to lose before we’ve hit the M25!

People who don’t go have no idea what it was like last season (or even most of the last four) trudging to the stadium every other week to watch the team. They just don’t comprehend it. The team still haven’t won my trust back and I go with trepidation, however I’m not expecting to watch us be carved open with every attack and can look forward to a time when we get our injured players back and can then have a proper go at teams.
 
One of the things I liked about Frank was his tactical flexibility and hes starting to show it with us as well.

He tried something different against Everton. I don't think any of us expected the team to look like that when we saw it on the teamsheet, and it paid off.

It's good to see we have different ways of playing, and are still able to have a good start early on even with the injuries we have to key players.
 
People who don’t go have no idea what it was like last season (or even most of the last four) trudging to the stadium every other week to watch the team. They just don’t comprehend it.

Yeah it’s very easy to turn off the telly and play a nice game of trivial pursuit. Or just do a load of class A drugs. Possibilities are endless. You’re sort of stuck in the ground to deal with the shit you’re seeing unfold.
Probably a form of trauma.

It’s the journey home after losing that always seems to take twice as long.

I salute all the people who go week in week out home and away.
The true heroes / masochists!!
 
At least when we go now we aren’t expecting to lose before we’ve hit the M25!

People who don’t go have no idea what it was like last season (or even most of the last four) trudging to the stadium every other week to watch the team. They just don’t comprehend it. The team still haven’t won my trust back and I go with trepidation, however I’m not expecting to watch us be carved open with every attack and can look forward to a time when we get our injured players back and can then have a proper go at teams.
It was mad, getting on a bus at 6am knowing that the only reason I'm going is because I'd already paid. Going to Spurs should never feel like that and definitely not for a whole season.
 
There was a good post on Reddit yesterday or the day before, with graphs and statistical breakdowns.

Here are two.


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So we're off to a great start under TF, not as well as we were under Ange pt.1, but on an equivalent fixture basis we're outperforming that.
 
At least when we go now we aren’t expecting to lose before we’ve hit the M25!

People who don’t go have no idea what it was like last season (or even most of the last four) trudging to the stadium every other week to watch the team. They just don’t comprehend it. The team still haven’t won my trust back and I go with trepidation, however I’m not expecting to watch us be carved open with every attack and can look forward to a time when we get our injured players back and can then have a proper go at teams.
It's a form of collective PTSD.

A few of us warned it was not healthy to keep losing like that and it would have lasting affects.

Now there's a mind-frame that clicks in when you enter the stadium and foreboding in the back of the mind and a switch flicked at the first sign of things not going swimmingly and the energy dies.

It's a big problem.
 
It's a form of collective PTSD.

A few of us warned it was not healthy to keep losing like that and it would have lasting affects.

Now there's a mind-frame that clicks in when you enter the stadium and foreboding in the back of the mind and a switch flicked at the first sign of things not going swimmingly and the energy dies.

It's a big problem.

When was the last time you were in our Stadium?
 
Getting angry about xG and xGA while ignoring actual goals and actual goals against is just not for me sorry. I honestly cannot fathom being happier with Anges expected output while losing almost every week home and away than Franks actual output.

When I make my fortnightly 300 mile round trip to the lane, I leave the spreadsheets and calculators at home.
Agreed... look at the top left corner of the screen or if you're in the ground one of the scoreboards . That is the only stat that matters.
 
One of the things I liked about Frank was his tactical flexibility and hes starting to show it with us as well.

He tried something different against Everton. I don't think any of us expected the team to look like that when we saw it on the teamsheet, and it paid off.

It's good to see we have different ways of playing, and are still able to have a good start early on even with the injuries we have to key players.
He's got the full package as a manager.

Just need players back, additional quality additions and time and we'll be rocking.
 
At least when we go now we aren’t expecting to lose before we’ve hit the M25!

People who don’t go have no idea what it was like last season (or even most of the last four) trudging to the stadium every other week to watch the team. They just don’t comprehend it. The team still haven’t won my trust back and I go with trepidation, however I’m not expecting to watch us be carved open with every attack and can look forward to a time when we get our injured players back and can then have a proper go at teams.
Spot on. Spending money on that crap and knowing what was coming was soul destroying and physically exhausting.
 
Spot on. Spending money on that crap and knowing what was coming was soul destroying and physically exhausting.

I'm sorry - I know everyone's personal experience is different - but this just feels like hyperbole. I'm a season ticket holder and in our section of the south there was a lot of black humour and frustration at times but not once - not a single game - did it ever get as bad and toxic in the crowd as it did in the dying embers of Conte's days (and the weeks after his sacking) . Not even Leicester (although if the Everton debacle had been a home game that might have been a catalyst)

This, imo, had three factors.

1) The injury crisis was so bad as to be comical. This mitigates to expectation.

2) The League Cup run. Even in the middle of the injury crisis we beat Liverpool. One of the better nights in our new stadium. We showed heart and grit. That counts for a lot.

3) The Europa League. We knew we would have our defence back and that meant we had a shot.

Unlike JimothyCF14 JimothyCF14 I only have to travel for 1 and 1/2 hours to get to Spurs so my experience was obviously less harrowing than his but, again, this idea that the Spurs fans and crowd were "traumatised" by the events of last season is simply not true. While the EL was on we simply didn't care about the league because it was gone. All that mattered was those EL games and, sure enough, we won them all, playing our first choice back 5.

Also, on a personal note, that league Cup run got me the loyalty points that got me to Bilboa. Those who dreamed got rewarded. That's football.
 
Getting angry about xG and xGA while ignoring actual goals and actual goals against is just not for me sorry. I honestly cannot fathom being happier with Anges expected output while losing almost every week home and away than Franks actual output.

When I make my fortnightly 300 mile round trip to the lane, I leave the spreadsheets and calculators at home.
The xG and xGA lovefest is weird.

It is a singular stat. It's not useless but its highly volatile. There are places like OPTA that are running their entire forecast based off xG, as though it determines the outcomes for the games instead of actual goals and assists. People think whoever has a higher xG deserves to win every game. It's ridiculous.
 
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