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Manager Thomas Frank

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It's more of a case of not wanting to spend what it takes to get players who are near guaranteed to be successes so we shop a couple of rungs down and hope that they turn out to be a success.
Until we are willing to compete for players in terms of wages then we need another poch / kane / dele / son miracle of circumstances to come together.

Let's take Seymenyo for example. He's out of our reach now, but had we gone with a no nonsense 80 million in the summer we'd probably of got him.

I just don't understand it, it would of been a huge transfer for us, properly replacing Son. It was obvious he had the quality and elite skill set to be one of the top performers in the PL.

But yet we'd rather take the risk with 60 million on players who look decent, but not elite...or haven't even graced the PL.
 
Let's take Seymenyo for example. He's out of our reach now, but had we gone with a no nonsense 80 million in the summer we'd probably of got him.

I just don't understand it, it would of been a huge transfer for us, properly replacing Son. It was obvious he had the quality and elite skill set to be one of the top performers in the PL.

But yet we'd rather take the risk with 60 million on players who don't look decent, but not elite...or haven't even graced the PL.

Doubt Bournemouth would have sold him as well as the other players they lost, they gave him a new contract with a release clause in it now so he's destined for someone bigger than us and probably was seeing beyond us last Summer anyway.
 
Let's take Seymenyo for example. He's out of our reach now, but had we gone with a no nonsense 80 million in the summer we'd probably of got him.

I just don't understand it, it would of been a huge transfer for us, properly replacing Son. It was obvious he had the quality and elite skill set to be one of the top performers in the PL.

But yet we'd rather take the risk with 60 million on players who look decent, but not elite...or haven't even graced the PL.
Penny-wise
Pound-foolish

Tel and Odobert combined are a Seymenyo.

Same money, give or take. But no, we always do this.

£80m for Seymenyo and we could probably either win things and/or flip in a few years for £100m+

We will be lucky to get £30m for both Tel and Odobert combined. Genius.
 
Let's take Seymenyo for example. He's out of our reach now, but had we gone with a no nonsense 80 million in the summer we'd probably of got him.

I just don't understand it, it would of been a huge transfer for us, properly replacing Son. It was obvious he had the quality and elite skill set to be one of the top performers in the PL.

But yet we'd rather take the risk with 60 million on players who don't look decent, but not elite...or haven't even graced the PL.
And he would have got injured or been shite or both and we would be sat here saying why the fuck did we overpay for Semenyo. Honestly, most of the fans on here were lording up our window... Kudus a real sign of intent, Palhinha just what we need, Simons from under the Chavs noses BOOM, RKM - how the fuck did we manage that. Roll forward 2 months and they have all been disappointing even Palhinha, which I know will upset a few on here who think he's prime Kante.
 
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How can they show intent when they haven't had a window yet, and even then, expecting them to do a summers worth of dealings, in January, when its hard to get anything done.

It took the whole month to get Porro.

As I keep saying, all we can do is wait, and see what they do.
I'm trying to say that even though the Jan window is relatively small, at least try to make an effort to show intent for summer..as you say, Wait and see...
 
I was all for this logic before Saturday. The concern going into the game was how we are really struggling to dominate the ball at home and create chances from open play. So surely we put out a brave team that can go after a Chelsea team who are just coming off a 2-1 home defeat to sunderland and missing some key players? Right?

No. Frank decides to make this issue even worse by dropping 2 attackers from the everton game in place of 2 more midfielders. It was a shambalic selection and just handed the initiative to Chelsea. After all the talk all week about needing the fans onside and creating a fortress, we just sit back and let Chelsea get nice and comfortable. The fans were so up for this one, great atmostphere, the first few tackles were cheered, the first few periods of Chelsea possession were booed. But after 10 mins it was just chelsea knocking it around and us chasing shadows. It sucked the life out of the whole place.

It was just another case of little inferior Spurs scared of the big boys from Chelsea and Frank's selection and the first 10 mins of the game caused this. It was a Nuno moment and I can't see him recovering from this. I'd love if I'm wrong. I hope we go and beat Copenhagen 4-0 tomorrow night to prove we can actually dominate and score goals at home. But I'm guessing we'll be just hoping to score from a set piece and win ugly if possible because thats all we do now.

The issue with Saturday, is that it was the same performance as almost every game against Chelsea for 6+ years under 6 managers.
Sure, it was similar to other home games this season, but I'm at the stage where us losing to Chelsea is as routine as us beating City.
It's an anomaly whereby we can be the form team and they can be in all sorts of array, and we just don't show up. It happens so often now.
 
The issue with Saturday, is that it was the same performance as almost every game against Chelsea for 6+ years under 6 managers.
Sure, it was similar to other home games this season, but I'm at the stage where us losing to Chelsea is as routine as us beating City.
It's an anomaly whereby we can be the form team and they can be in all sorts of array, and we just don't show up. It happens so often now.
Yeah that is fair and unfortunately our games with Woolwich seem to be going down the same route now. We just fold against them regardless of all circumstances. Such a spineless group of cowards.
 
I'm trying to say that even though the Jan window is relatively small, at least try to make an effort to show intent for summer..as you say, Wait and see...
I completely agree, and I think they will.

It's like trying to predict if Frank will be great for us or not. You can't say one way or the other until you know.

All you can do, is give him time, get behind the team, and encourage them as much as you can.

And the Lewis family need to step up. This £100 million, is a nice step in the right direction.
 
This was so apparent on Saturday watching from high in the South. Players simply did not move to create angles. It was so obvious and therefore frustrating. Frank must be tearing his hair out.
Maybe he is telling them to play in such a way that their natural instinct to create an angle is secondary to making sure they don't lose their man even though we have the ball... that's what defensive coaches do... even in possession they are worried about the turnover.
 
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The press are getting so hung up on style of football at the minute and that to me isn't the point. The fans are not so naive as to think that with our attacking options we should be gung ho and cavalier against Chelsea . I think that most fans would swallow mid block and counter against those team for the short to medium term (not permanantly of course and not against Wolves or that Villa team).

The problem is we didn't counter attack . A couple times we won the ball back in their half... and someone put their foot on the ball even though there was space to try and hurt them, and the ball ended up back at the feet of Vicario. It's a lack of intent that's bothering the fans, not a lack of style.

I must say the game was so squeezed on Saturday. There was no space, both teams were playing so safe and waiting for the other to make a mistake. A few more long balls into the channels was required but Chalobah had Richy in his pocket. He was their MOTM for me. I hope he gets a look in the England squad as he looked a really good defender.
 
The press are getting so hung up on style of football at the minute and that to me isn't the point. The fans are not so naive as to think that with our attacking options we should be gung ho and cavalier against Chelsea . I think that most fans would swallow mid block and counter against those team for the short to medium term (not permanantly of course and not against Wolves or that Villa team).

The problem is we didn't counter attack . A couple times we won the ball back in their half... and someone put their foot on the ball even though there was space to try and hurt them, and the ball ended up back at the feet of Vicario. It's a lack of intent that's bothering the fans, not a lack of style.
Precisely!

Fans aren't stupid, we know there are no attacking options beyond Kudus and Johnson when he's on it. Fans would understand that against certain sides we need to be pragmatic until reinforcements arrive.

Spurs support as a whole and historically are too focused on style of play. This goes for media as well.

No one wants to see suicidal losing football.

It's not any more entertaining to throw everyone forward and fail to score than it is to play a low block and try to get a point. I would rather see us align with two banks of four men and get a point than losing in any style. Losing is not entertaining.

Style is not the point, results are the point - What can we achieve today. Style did not win us the Europa final.

Nothing succeeds like success. Get results.
 
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