Manager Thomas Frank

[Dixiefish61]

I agree the squad is the problem.

I also think that Frank is getting more from this side than Ange could - but I hear you, that’s irrelevant.

The thing is the window isn’t open so we can’t improve the squad at this point and people are getting restless - which is crazy as we’re 5th and the CL is going fine, home wins against Slavia and Copenhagen will guarantee us a knockout place.

As a fan base we need to be patient - there is little the new board or manager can do at this point. The good enough players need to show it and we need to be much more active in binning the players that are capable to stepping up for the club - If Everton want Richy then sell him - great performance in the Europa final, but other than that he has been very disappointing

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I was with you up to this.

which is crazy as we’re 5th and the CL is going fine, home wins against Slavia and Copenhagen will guarantee us a knockout place.

Home wins are bloody hard to come by right now. I think the CL qualification is very much at risk.

 

[Shadydan]

It's absolutely not. The parallels are the same. You can't say that you want to give one manager time, but not the other. It's either or.

They're both a bad fit, didn't work/won't work. It's painfully obvious.The club made a rare good decision in addressing that. I can't imagine there's not contingency plans happening as we speak. There is nothing positive at all to cling to here, bar our inflated, far too early, league position.

I don't want to go through another fucking manager merry go round, another season wasted, more big fees on players the next coach probably doesn't fancy. But we can't sit still for the sake of it either. This is going one way. I've been saying it for weeks now. I was called every name under the soon even 2 weeks ago, there's a big number of people now who are starting to admit that after 6 months in charge, we're absolutely not better than we were.

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You can say you want to give a manage time based on the fact that the guy still hasn't worked with half his team, it anything that's a reason why you stick with him to get it right.

As far as I recall Nuno had pretty much every player available including prime Kane and Son and Kane clearly didn't want to play for him anyway so the project was always doomed.

I'd you don't want another manager merry go round then I'm confused as to why you want a manager sacked in his first 3 months?

 

[Papafeels]

You can say you want to give a manage time based on the fact that the guy still hasn't worked with half his team, it anything that's a reason why you stick with him to get it right.

As far as I recall Nuno had pretty much every player available including prime Kane and Son and Kane clearly didn't want to play for him anyway so the project was always doomed.

I'd you don't want another manager merry go round then I'm confused as to why you want a manager sacked in his first 3 months?

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Nuno was doomed from the off as he was option 10,000, taking 6 months to replace Mou, fans didn't want another pragmatic coach. Kane also downed tools and didn't really show up until Conte was appointed. He had very little to work with at all. Deke was finished but he had to play, we didn't have Bents or Deki, who basically marched us up the table. The defence was horrendous. Lloris was finished a long time before that too.

If we'd had a defensive coach last, the fans wouldn't be putting up with this, and in a few weeks it'll be the consensus amongst the fans.

Did you bother reading what I typed? I gave my justification as to why I want him gone. He's had a preseason and £200m in transfers, by the way. We look just as bad as last year but we've had absolute blind luck on our side. If there were green shoots, I'd be happy. It's the performances. They're getting worse, players look completely deflated. We're porous at the back, completely a non factor up top. It's. Ot going to work, it's been evident for weeks. I keep hearing that I'm wrong, but nothing has proven me wrong in that time. It's terrible. And come January, this won't be an argument anymore. He won't make it til then.

 

[Shadydan]

Nuno was doomed from the off as he was option 10,000, taking 6 months to replace Mou, fans didn't want another pragmatic coach. Kane also downed tools and didn't really show up until Conte was appointed. He had very little to work with at all. Deke was finished but he had to play, we didn't have Bents or Deki, who basically marched us up the table. The defence was horrendous. Lloris was finished a long time before that too.

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So tell me how any of this compares to our current situation with Frank, all you've done is highlight stuff that our current coach doesn't have to deal with, yeah Nuno had issues but so does Frank so as I said it's a pointless comparison.

 

[Papafeels]

So tell me how any of this compares to our current situation with Frank, all you've done is highlight stuff that our current coach doesn't have to deal with, yeah Nuno had issues but so does Frank so as I said it's a pointless comparison.

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Apparently Frank has circumstances against him that nobody in the history of the world had, or could contend with.

Which is bullshit.

I'm merely pointing out to people that say you can't sack a manager that early, that I bet they wanted Nuno gone. It's not the same rule for one and not the other. He's come in, made us no better, spent more money in a summer than I think any manager has had, and we're being served up the worst football I've ever witnessed in my life.
If that was enough time for one, it's enough time for the other.

 

[Shadydan]

Apparently Frank has circumstances against him that nobody in the history of the world had, or could contend with.

Which is bullshit.

I'm merely pointing out to people that say you can't sack a manager that early, that I bet they wanted Nuno gone. It's not the same rule for one and not the other. He's come in, made us no better, spent more money in a summer than I think any manager has had, and we're being served up the worst football I've ever witnessed in my life.
If that was enough time for one, it's enough time for the other.

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Oh look a strawman...

You're comparing apples and oranges mate and you're making a completely disingenuous comparion at that, whatever makes you feel better though I guess.

 

[Papafeels]

Oh look a strawman...

You're comparing apples and oranges mate and you're making a completely disingenuous comparion at that, whatever makes you feel better though I guess.

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It's not a straw man at all. M

If one manager isn't given time for something that clearly isn't working, why should manager? They both had shitty circumstances to deal with. One is the football hipster choice, the other was very much not. In reality, Nuno ball was much better than this, which is terrifying.

If blindly defending the indefensible makes you feel better, then you're entitled to do that. I know that in a few weeks, this bad dream will be over and we'll have a coach that isn't terrified of every game. Unless of course he can demonstrate he has another way of playing and we can see there's a plan, in which case I'll be happy he stays. But that looks less likely than me winning the Powerball.

 

[Deuterz]

Pretty sure he called me an idiot, amongst some other not very flattering things for questioning Frank.

Sorry to disappoint, Sherlock.

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I’ve never called you names. I don’t think anyway.

I have no issue with anyone questioning a manager lmao, I have no inherent attachment to Frank. That would be weird, he’s been here all of 5 mins. I hate manager cultiness.

I do objectively think he’s doing an alright job by results. The football isn’t good so people can fairly criticise that. Sacking the poor fucker while we sit fourth would be nonsense.

 

[Papafeels]

I’ve never called you names. I don’t think anyway.

I have no issue with anyone questioning a manager lmao, I have no inherent attachment to Frank. That would be weird, he’s been here all of 5 mins. I hate manager cultiness.

I do objectively think he’s doing an alright job by results. The football isn’t good so people can fairly criticise that. Sacking the poor fucker while we sit fourth would be nonsense.

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Pretty sure you and the Ukrainian guy giving it to me large one day. Anyway, water under the bridge and apologies if it's mistaken identity.

While I agree. The table does not reflect reality. We look lost with absolutely no ideas. We lead the league by a country mile in overporforming XG and XGA, that's an anomaly, one that won't carry on. We've also had a very kind fixture list so far, and we've still made it look like extremely hard work.
We're only 2 points ahead of 11th, and with the teams we're about to play, after 18 games, we're going to find ourselves nowhere near 4th. If there were green shoots, I'd be happy, but this is dour.

 

[Shadydan]

It's not a straw man at all. M

If one manager isn't given time for something that clearly isn't working, why should manager? They both had shitty circumstances to deal with. One is the football hipster choice, the other was very much not. In reality, Nuno ball was much better than this, which is terrifying.

If blindly defending the indefensible makes you feel better, then you're entitled to do that. I know that in a few weeks, this bad dream will be over and we'll have a coach that isn't terrified of every game. Unless of course he can demonstrate he has another way of playing and we can see there's a plan, in which case I'll be happy he stays. But that looks less likely than me winning the Powerball.

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It totally is, I haven't made any excuses for Frank, I just gave you a reason as to why I'm not throwing my toys out the pram, unlike you, that's the difference. No-one likes the football but like I was with all our previous managers I am firmly in the wait and see boat, I was probably one of the last on here that wanted Nuno sacked regardless so I think it's quite funny you trying to bring up the Nuno comparison as it's pretty desperate and you're doing it as some sort of 'gotcha' just because it vindicates your opinion.

 

[Deuterz]

. In reality, Nuno ball was much better than this, which is terrifying.

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It wasn’t, we have very short memories. The Chelsea game was awful but prior to that one match the football hasn’t been worse than Nuno at all. And we were sat much lower in the league under Nuno. Not to mention clearly had conte lined up and Nuno was a last second desperate pick whereas Frank was an actual choice.

 

[Papafeels]

It totally is, I haven't made any excuses for Frank, I just gave you a reason as to why I'm not throwing my toys out the pram, unlike you, that's the difference. No-one likes the football but like I was with all our previous managers I am firmly in the wait and see boat, I was probably one of the last on here that wanted Nuno sacked regardless so I think it's quite funny you trying to bring up the Nuno comparison as it's pretty desperate and you're doing it as some sort of 'gotcha' just because it vindicates your opinion.

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I'm not throwing the toys out of the pram at all. I'm not insulting people, I'm voicing my frustration, which is my right to do as a fan.

Jesus, it's not about Nuno. It's if a manager is sacked early and it was universally celebrated amongst our fans, I find it funny and ironic that we have to give this guy 2 seasons, when what we're seeing is shambolic. I'm calling out double standards.

 

[dustybin]

he deserves the season. Would I be upset if he resigned tomorrow? No tbh. I don’t see him here long term. That performance on Saturday was so so bad, on both sides of the ball. Worse than anything last season. The squad has issues but it’s not that bad. We’ll struggle on Saturday as well imo.

 

[Shadydan]

I'm not throwing the toys out of the pram at all. I'm not insulting people, I'm voicing my frustration, which is my right to do as a fan.

Jesus, it's not about Nuno. It's if a manager is sacked early and it was universally celebrated amongst our fans, I find it funny and ironic that we have to give this guy 2 seasons, when what we're seeing is shambolic. I'm calling out double standards.

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You literally brought the man as a direct comparison to Frank, now you're saying it's not about him? Again Nuno was canned righty so but was replaced by one of the best managers in the world so the reception was much different, it's absolutely nothing like what's happening now, if Frank is sacked I don't see a Conte equivalent lined up, do you?

Again another straw man, who said 2 seasons? You're literally making stuff up now

 

[Papafeels]

It wasn’t, we have very short memories. The Chelsea game was awful but prior to that one match the football hasn’t been worse than Nuno at all. And we were sat much lower in the league under Nuno. Not to mention clearly had conte lined up and Nuno was a last second desperate pick whereas Frank was an actual choice.

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Short memories indeed. We were two points worse off after the same amount of games than we've played now. Our run of games was also significantly more difficult than what we've had this season as we'd played City, Woolwich and Chelsea. The mean position of our opponents in those ten games was 8.8. That's a very difficult run and respectable points on the board. The issue was the horrible style of football, which we're seeing now. I was delighted they sacked him as it was clearly a terrible fit.

Football has bee diabolical in 90% of our games. There's no light at the end of the tunnel, when we've played 18 games, we're going to have very sore necks at the looking up we'll have to do.

 

[Eli]

we are tied for 3rd most goals scored in the PL

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Yes without a striker ffs …….our top scorer is a central defender Jesus Christ see the stats when we get Solanke back or this investment we’re getting buy a 20 goals a season striker

 

[bonaspur23]

Short memories indeed. We were two points worse off after the same amount of games than we've played now. Our run of games was also significantly more difficult than what we've had this season as we'd played City, Woolwich and Chelsea. The mean position of our opponents in those ten games was 8.8. That's a very difficult run and respectable points on the board. The issue was the horrible style of football, which we're seeing now. I was delighted they sacked him as it was clearly a terrible fit.

Football has bee diabolical in 90% of our games. There's no light at the end of the tunnel, when we've played 18 games, we're going to have very sore necks at the looking up we'll have to do.

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We had prime Harry Kane and Son, it's not that hard to understand.

The current squad has proven nothing compared to the Nuno one, where several players had contributed to a CL final run and multiple top 4 finishes. Finishing 17th over 38 games is a bigger indicator of the current squad's ability than winning a knockout trophy against 15th placed United, bodo glimt, and frankfurt.

 

[bk_spur]

A decision needs to be made before the season isn't salvageable.

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We are in 5th right now.

 

[Rooster the 2nd]

Pretty sure you and the Ukrainian guy giving it to me large one day. Anyway, water under the bridge and apologies if it's mistaken identity.

While I agree. The table does not reflect reality. We look lost with absolutely no ideas. We lead the league by a country mile in overporforming XG and XGA, that's an anomaly, one that won't carry on. We've also had a very kind fixture list so far, and we've still made it look like extremely hard work.
We're only 2 points ahead of 11th, and with the teams we're about to play, after 18 games, we're going to find ourselves nowhere near 4th. If there were green shoots, I'd be happy, but this is dour.

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2nd place is only 4 points ahead of 11th and we already played City, Chelsea, Newcastle, Brighton and Villa which are tough fixture.

It's not a straw man at all. M

If one manager isn't given time for something that clearly isn't working, why should manager? They both had shitty circumstances to deal with. One is the football hipster choice, the other was very much not. In reality, Nuno ball was much better than this, which is terrifying.

If blindly defending the indefensible makes you feel better, then you're entitled to do that. I know that in a few weeks, this bad dream will be over and we'll have a coach that isn't terrified of every game. Unless of course he can demonstrate he has another way of playing and we can see there's a plan, in which case I'll be happy he stays. But that looks less likely than me winning the Powerball.

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You smoking crack? Nuno had Prime Son & Kane and did worse with 5 losses in 10 games... Frank was left with a rebuild team after Son left. He needs atleast a season to implement his philosophy to this team. As long as we are not fighting relegation we should be patient.

 

[Kosher Kid]

What you have to ask yourself is this.

What is more likely to happen?

Home form improves or away form gets worse?

The home games have been truly shit apart from Burnley.

I attended Bournemouth and that was a similar performance to Chelsea.

It's not a full blown crisis yet but; it's heading in that direction.

Spurs do not have the players available to create and score goals in open play.

If we score first against United we might be able to turn them over because they are also shit.

It looks bad to me.