Manager Thomas Frank

[Honest John]

Unrealistic was Klopp or Nagelsmann, Pep, Inzaghi...realistic was either Frank or Iraola.

We didn't have the unrealistic pool to choose from so we were left with the much of a muchness with the realistic ones.

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Apart from Frank we're pretty much on the same page then. Although I don't see why a couple of those names should be seen as unrealistic.
Let's be honest though, if Woolwich had needed a manager and appointed Frank, the 'let's all laugh at scum' thread would have gone in to overdrive.

 

[Shadydan]

Apart from Frank we're pretty much on the same page then. Although I don't see why a couple of those names should be seen as unrealistic.
Let's be honest though, if Woolwich had needed a manager and appointed Frank, the 'let's all laugh at scum' thread would have gone in to overdrive.

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We're not going to go through why those names were unrealistic, it's bloody obvious.

Everyone was laughing at them when they appointed Arteta, I don't see the same energy for them now.

 

[Shadydan]

Erm ok .. what’s that got to do with competing for stuff ??

If all we’re gonna do is a faded impersonation of them but with less willingness to go out and spend then fucking hell how uninspiring.

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i was being facetious...

 

[Kosher Kid]

we have had 25 managers in the last 50 years

1 for 6
1 for 5
2 for 4
3 for 3
all the rest 2 or less - so for 22 of those years we had 18 managers. As fans we wonder why we have had such a poor return in silverware.

Liverpool have had 10 managers in the same period and won 60 titles/silverware

I could be wrong but I think there's a strong link between success and settled management of football teams

And obscene levels of financial doping.

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How many of Tottenham's 25 managers would have been good enough to be considered for the Liverpool manager's job by their board and supporters?

 

[Honest John]

One thing Frank has in his favour is his likeability as a person. He comes across as an honest, amenable gentleman who wouldn't have a bad word for anyone and, rightly or wrongly, that will probably buy him some extra time with the fan base that wouldn't be afforded to others. No previous club baggage like Conte or Jose either.

I mean, let's be straight. If it had been either of those two on the touchline for that recent abomination of anti football we saw at home to Chelsea they'd have had their arses kicked all the way down Tottenham High Road and into Seven Sisters Station

 

[Don Pedro]

This is exactly what's Frank is another version of Arteta, he focuses on the small details like set pieces and high xg chances just like Arteta does and Frank wants the players to have total control and not chaos so it was always going to be like this in his early days.

'Attacking' is just a subjective term really, can be used in so many different ways.

A side note - Our club is slowly turning into them btw and understandably no-one wants to talk about it, Vinai, Adam Gardiner are former Woolwich and it wouldn't surprise me if you start noticing us doing what they were doing a few years ago in the lead up to the team they are now...whether you think it's a good thing because of how dominant they are or a bad thing because it's them, it's certainly an interesting few years ahead.

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yeah i agree with everything you are saying.

Its a frightening prospect for me though as I'm ashamed to admit that I probably hate Woolwich more than I love Spurs at this stage. I hate Arteta and hate what he's done to football. So I do feel a bit hypocritical if that's what we are hoping to become. That is my own personal issue though and something I'll have to overcome if this is the road we are heading down.

 

[_mehstg]

Not really sure why people are setting their expectations so high for Frank in his first season.

Sure it's been mentioned before but..

Alex Ferguson's first three seasons at United: 11th, 2nd, 11th
Jurgen Klopps first season at Liverpool (19 league games managed): 8th
Arteta's first two seasons at Woolwich: 8th, 8th

Think it's fair to say we can afford to give Frank a year at least before calling for his head..

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Football has changed since SAF was in charge.
Klopp took over with the bin dippers struggling but straight away you could see much more aggressive front foot football.
Arteta is a cunt in charge of a cunty club

We are not in some weird re-build that people keep going on about. The back four and GK are very good. Frank is lucky to inherit that. He has spent over 150m on attacking talent and as many on here remind me got one of the best defensive midfielders the PL has ever seen on loan. The football should be better and the results should be better. They are not because whether people like it or not. Frank is a mid table safe pair of hands. He is not a winner and never will be.

 

[Deuterz]

Football has changed since SAF was in charge.
Klopp took over with the bin dippers struggling but straight away you could see much more aggressive front foot football.
Arteta is a cunt in charge of a cunty club

We are not in some weird re-build that people keep going on about. The back four and GK are very good. Frank is lucky to inherit that. He has spent over 150m on attacking talent and as many on here remind me got one of the best defensive midfielders the PL has ever seen on loan. The football should be better and the results should be better. They are not because whether people like it or not. Frank is a mid table safe pair of hands. He is not a winner and never will be.

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The squad is terrible. The way you’re describing it is insanely generous. The reality is a bog standard midfield, a really poor attack (with a large part of it injured since day one) with a couple of very good centre backs, potentially good fullbacks and a hot and cold keeper.

It’s top 6 quality at best.

 

[_mehstg]

Oh yeah for sure. I'm not saying any manager would be doing any better than Frank given all the ongoing issues both on and off the pitch.

I'm just talking about style of play. Frank's Brentford were always a pragmatic team who played to stop their opposition. They often came unstuck at home when teams sat against them. This is and always was going to be his biggest test. I'm happy to let him learn and adapt and judge him at the end of the season. I do think he's an honest man who is doing everything he can to turn our home form around. Its just a huge change for him

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What ongoing issues? There are a dozen clubs in the PL who could only dream of dropping 150m on attacking talent in the transfer window... stop making excuses. For all this tactical genius bollocks associated with Frank, the reality is that he's a bit of a one trick pony. And when that trick is rendered null and void because the opposition are sitting deep then he hasn't got a clue how to open them up. At that point, the inferior opposition grow a spine and decide "actually, this Spurs team can't really hurt us" and then you get your Wolves, Villa type performances.

 

[McCOYS]

I don't think it's too different, this was taken from 23/24 season, there's not a lot in it at all.

There's a misconception that Frank is a defensive coach who plays a deep line, his lines have mostly been average heights in the league, that's not the issue - it's the intention when we do have the ball and the risks we don't take.

Sidenote: People are talking about Glasner saying they would prefer him yet his Palace team sit with a much deeper line than most teams in the league and they let the other team have the ball, not sure our fans would stand for that.

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I see, well presently I'm neutral about Frank, he's quite a unique character.

For someone that doesn't have football as a major part of my life I've spent enough time discussing Frank the last few days. There's a wide range of opinions. After the international break the four games in 10 days, Goons, PSG, Fulham, Newcastle, is going to be intense for him, hardly any time for training/preparation between matches, and having to give players as much rest as is practicable.

I can hardy wait to read some of those match threads.

 

[Matt1882]

Most of us who wanted Nono out at this stage didn't want him in at all.


Don't forget, we went from seriel winner Mourinho, to about 37 candidates, one of whom was Conte, only to end up with free agent Nono.


The only people who were really against Frank were those that were up Ange's aussie arse hole.

 

[BJK]

Arteta is a really bad model to invest in from a purely ROI standpoint, even ignoring his Woolwich connection and his eccentricities, to put it very mildly, as a person.

Investing 6 years and an obscene amount of money on a manager should return you more than a feeble frontrunner of a team that will either bottle it again, or get knocked out of the throne by the next big thing sooner than later. And it goes without saying that the football is atrocious compared to some other cases of big clubs giving this much time and money to a particular manager.

If Arteta is the end result of this game of patience I'd rather stay impatient, as I genuinely don't think the juice is worth the squeeze.

 

[GinolasLeftFoot]

Most of us who wanted Nono out at this stage didn't want him in at all.


Don't forget, we went from seriel winner Mourinho, to about 37 candidates, one of whom was Conte, only to end up with free agent Nono.


The only people who were really against Frank were those that were up Ange's aussie arse hole.

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That was a shambolic process of signing a manager.

Proper embarrassing shit show, by Levy again

 

[Kosher Kid]

Most of us who wanted Nono out at this stage didn't want him in at all.


Don't forget, we went from seriel winner Mourinho, to about 37 candidates, one of whom was Conte, only to end up with free agent Nono.


The only people who were really against Frank were those that were up Ange's aussie arse hole.

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Silva was my choice from the candidates who looked most likely at the time.

Sporting and Everton are big clubs, so he has the big club experience, and he has done a solid job at Fulham; so Prem proven too.

The candidates were underwhelming is the truth.

It looks more and more as though Iraola should have been Spurs priority.

 

[GinolasLeftFoot]

Not really sure why people are setting their expectations so high for Frank in his first season.

Sure it's been mentioned before but..

Alex Ferguson's first three seasons at United: 11th, 2nd, 11th
Jurgen Klopps first season at Liverpool (19 league games managed): 8th
Arteta's first two seasons at Woolwich: 8th, 8th

Think it's fair to say we can afford to give Frank a year at least before calling for his head..

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No one is setting their expectations high on Frank.

Just giving him time FFS!

Only time will tell if it works out or not.

Why is giving someone time to see what they can do, is such a fecking hard thing to understand.

So many just writing random BS about things that are never said.

 

[_mehstg]

No one is setting their expectations high on Frank.

Just giving him time FFS!

Only time will tell if it works out or not.

Why is giving someone time to see what they can do, is such a fecking hard thing to understand.

So many just writing random BS about things that are never said.

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It's not

It's just we all have a different opinion on what time is? You no doubt see it as 2 seasons and 4 transfer windows. I don't.

I feel like I've lost plenty of time watching Franks insipid football already.

And to quote Ben Franklin - "Lost time is never found again"

 

[Kosher Kid]

Only time will tell if it works out or not.

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So called projects and giving managers like Frank and Ange time leads to the mediocrity currently being dished up for top dollar at the THFC Stadium.

No other big English club would accept this model, back to back, for years on end.

Not unless they want to become Everton.

We should demand better until we get it.

Otherwise we are complicit in accepting that THFC are destined to be forever in the shadow of Woolwich, Chelsea, Liverpool, United, City and others in terms of signings and player wages.

Levy trained us to be obedient idiots but we must reject this bullshit if it continues.

Spurs must do better and the supporters should raise their expectation level and demand more.

Please consider this statement if we all have to sit through the other lot, down the Seven Sisters, singing that song about us always being shit.

I've had enough of it.

We need to up our game and genuinely compete with these cunts.

 

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[TheVillageYidiot]

No one is setting their expectations high on Frank.

Just giving him time FFS!

Only time will tell if it works out or not.

Why is giving someone time to see what they can do, is such a fecking hard thing to understand.

So many just writing random BS about things that are never said.

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May have misread my post but this is my point exactly, i've seen comments on here saying that if he doesn't finish in the Top 5 then he should be sacked.

It might take a season or two of top 8 finishes before he actually builds something.

It's all about seeing progress, a style of play and ultimately results - but in order to assess that we need to give him the time he needs.

 

[GinolasLeftFoot]

So called projects and giving managers like Frank and Ange time leads to the mediocrity currently being dished up for top dollar at the THFC Stadium.

No other big English club would accept this model, back to back, for years on end.

Not unless they want to become Everton.

We should demand better until we get it.

Otherwise we are complicit in accepting that THFC are destined to be forever in the shadow of Woolwich, Chelsea, Liverpool, United, City and others in terms of signings and player wages.

Levy trained us to be obedient idiots but we must reject this bullshit if it continues.

Spurs must do better and the supporters should raise their expectation level and demand more.

Please consider this statement if we all have to sit through the other lot, down the Seven Sisters, singing that song about us always being shit.

I've had enough of it.

We need to up our game and genuinely compete with these cunts.

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Give over FFS!

You've been complaining about the quality of the players we have, how shit the attacking side has been.

And your bitching at Frank at what?

For doing his best with the shit at his disposal?

What do you want him to do? Click his magic fucking fingers and make everything fucking perfect instantly... Despite the fact, you and almost everyone has been complaining about the quality of players we have.

Grow the fuck up, and grow a pair of balls, FFS!

It's going to take years to sort this mess of a club out. That's Levys legacy, no one likes it, everyone wants us to play beautiful football, including me...

But we can't, coz we have a team full of shit.

An endless stream of brain dead, thick as shit, impatient entitles shit nuggets endlessly whining, asking for the impossible and then crying when they ain't got.

This fan base is fucking pathetic.

You are just going to have to be patient and deal with it like an adult... Or is that too hard for you?