Um... we need cm's who can get the ball through midfield to strikers first.
Like... it's not like we're battering the xG door down and missing a cutting edge. We can't even get the meat near the fucking knife to be cut at all!
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Um... we need cm's who can get the ball through midfield to strikers first.
Like... it's not like we're battering the xG door down and missing a cutting edge. We can't even get the meat near the fucking knife to be cut at all!
If you didn't have your head so far up your ass, you'd be able to see there's a difference in losing faith in a manager after 1.5 years of mostly bad performances and giving up on a manager less than halfway through his first season.Fuck me, the chutzpah
When you've stopped gaslighting and feeling sorry for yourself you might want to acknowledge that the reality of this forum is that anyone who dared simply support the previous manager - just like you're now (rightly) demanding we support Frank - was dismissed and mocked as a "Cultist" to the point that most were driven from the forum. Even the dedicated "positivity" thread for those who wanted to support Postecoglou in the darkest times last winter was regularly infested with abuse.
I see you're now bemoaning our sacky sack culture. I complete agree. One of us is consistent at least
I supported Ange up until around this time last year when he lost me with his inability to organize a defense and his pissant attitude towards the supporters. Let me know when we get there with Frank, assuming he's even given the chance.
Yeah - RKM scored boatloads for Frankfurt and did fine at PSG & Juve. He's a solid striker. And while Rich is infuriating AF, if you get him the ball in the box he'll score goals. They're obviously not absolutely top tier strikers, but we could be doing an awful lot worse in that department relative to other positions in the team.
By far the biggest issue imo is the overall approach and our rubbish midfield. Mid-table teams like Palace and Forest have significantly better midfields than we do with way better passing and ball-progression. Our best pairing is a past-it Bentancur and a talented but raw 19 year old kid. We're miles off it.
We're short in a few areas, but in terms of overall importance CM is the big one by far, followed by LW and LB. Striker is one for the summer.
So you supported the previous manager up until the moment he lost 4 out of his starting back 5 for three months - having almost double the xG vs xGA (and a +17 GD) than the present manager has managed in the first 16 games.
Then you jumped off when the going got hard. You ran when we lost all our best players - the core of our defence. You fled like a cowardly cur.
So then the European Trophy win - the best Spurs moment for 40 years - tasted sour because you'd jumped off. Because you hadn't earned it. Because you're a cowardly cur.
Because you went all in on sacky sack. And now the sacky sack hasn't worked out. But you want everyone else to not be sacky sack because... why exactly? What fucking sense of consistency or basic standards are you expecting of other people that you, yourself, failed to uphold just a year ago?
If you didn't have your head so far up your ass you'd be able to see what a pathetic mewling hypocrite you are. Some of us warned you this would happen. You do NOT get to lecture me about "patience" buddy. And you sure as shit don't get to rewrite the history of this forum. The "Cultists" were proved right and were rewarded with a European Trophy. The cowardly curs who jumped - they get to own... whatever the fuck this shit we're in now is.
I warned you this would happen. Don't fucking drown me in your crocodile tears now the going has got tough on the new era. Frank, like the last manager - is working with DROSS!
I mean... I have just two simple questions - "why are we doing this?" and "where is the logic?".
First part - why are we playing with 3 attackers when we have next to no quality options up front. I mean how is it logical to have Richie as ST, Kolo Muani as LW and Kudus as RW when we quite honestly lack proper and good attackers. We sacrifice the midfield in order to fit in total nothing player like Richie. WHY?
And other part - I mean there have been some positive moments in past 5-6 weeks. Like Tel scoring a really good goal vs ManU. Result? Him being nailed to the end of bench. There was PSG game where we switched formation and where Kolo Muani had REALLY good game. Result? Reverting back to different system AND pushing Kolo Muani on LW, all while starting Richie up front. WHERE IS THE FUCKING LOGIC IN ANY OF THAT? I just do not see it. It feels just random panic and no real plan.
EPL games xG from start of November based on BBC -
vs Forest - 0,37
vs Brendford - 2,1 (really a game where we had many chances, opposition really gifted a few but still)
vs Toon - 0,79
vs Fulham - 0,86
vs Woolwich - 0,07
vs ManU - 0,96
vs Chelsea - 0,05
So from 7 games we have had ONE game where we were expected to score at least 1 goal.
In two games we had roughly zero chances to score. And across SEVEN games we have been expected to score 5,2 goals. So 0,75 goals per game.
I mean. I do not know what to say about it really.
Just marginally better than in the worst days of Mourinho era right now.
First part - why are we playing with 3 attackers when we have next to no quality options up front. I mean how is it logical to have Richie as ST, Kolo Muani as LW and Kudus as RW when we quite honestly lack proper and good attackers. We sacrifice the midfield in order to fit in total nothing player like Richie. WHY?
And other part - I mean there have been some positive moments in past 5-6 weeks. Like Tel scoring a really good goal vs ManU. Result? Him being nailed to the end of bench. There was PSG game where we switched formation and where Kolo Muani had REALLY good game. Result? Reverting back to different system AND pushing Kolo Muani on LW, all while starting Richie up front. WHERE IS THE FUCKING LOGIC IN ANY OF THAT? I just do not see it. It feels just random panic and no real plan.
EPL games xG from start of November based on BBC -
vs Forest - 0,37
vs Brendford - 2,1 (really a game where we had many chances, opposition really gifted a few but still)
vs Toon - 0,79
vs Fulham - 0,86
vs Woolwich - 0,07
vs ManU - 0,96
vs Chelsea - 0,05
So from 7 games we have had ONE game where we were expected to score at least 1 goal.
In two games we had roughly zero chances to score. And across SEVEN games we have been expected to score 5,2 goals. So 0,75 goals per game.
I mean. I do not know what to say about it really.
Just marginally better than in the worst days of Mourinho era right now.
We all hate on Bissouma but he's lightyears ahead of what our current mids are capable of in terms of progressive press resistant football.
Not replacing him with a WORLD CLASS cm in the summer was a disaster.
I'd love to be able to be able to blame Frank for that. But... just can't. Our midfield reeks of mediocrity. Just as it did for the previous few managers
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Without 2 of the most expensive attackers in club history, both out injured long term, and with a cast of attackers which is decidedly inexperienced and ,by many estimations, substandard, and despite being just 14th in xG, Frank'a team in joint 5th in goals scored (what actually counts) and just 4 points off 4th.
Imagine what he'd do with some functional attackers and a midfield that isn't utter shite.
Yeah it's weird to say but we do miss him a bit. A fit, up-for-it Bissouma would've been handy receiving the ball under pressure and linking things. His absence has gone under the radar thinking about it. He was a big part of the team when Angeball actually functioned. Still an inconsistent, flaky midfielder and character - and someone we'd need to upgrade on - but a relatively solid option nonetheless.
He wouldn't solve the passing issue, though. He's as bad as the rest of them in that department.
But yeah, further highlights the need to invest in midfield.
Dunno if it is that simple though, tbh.
Some managers just ain't cut out for it and sticking with the wrong manager can be just as damaging as firing them willy-nilly.
Man United suffered massively by being patient with ETH. Sure, better players would've helped, but everyone knows he was not the right manager to take them forward long term.
Signing world class players helps any manager, but I think it's very possible we got it wrong with both Ange and Frank. I don't think we should rush to sack Frank, but I don't think sticking with him just because is a great argument either.
As for the 'no manager could work with this squad' argument - you see the contrary proven constantly in football. New manager comes in and squad written off as dross suddenly looks very adequate. Emre at Villa the most obvious example - and he didn't need time to turn them around - it happened instantly. Our squad has issues but Frank is still underperforming.
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Sure. But signing actual world class players would fucking help
Well, I'd expect it would be much of the same. Solanke isolated up top chasing lost balls. Madisson is at his best when Spurs play down the middle, and he was at his peak when Son and Kulu were playing. I doubt he will be anything like that player when he comes back.
Kolo, Kudus, Simmons are his signings. He should be getting the best out of them.
I don’t disagree the players are dross, but Ange deserved to go. He taught these players it’s ok to show up and perform once per month.
Interesting amount of likes on this.
The way social media has been since he came -- and rage after Forest performance, especially -- I expected a huge ratio.
Total opposite.
View: https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/2000298598446276968
The way social media has been since he came -- and rage after Forest performance, especially -- I expected a huge ratio.
Total opposite.
View: https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/2000298598446276968
When are people going to hold the players accountable? We have sacked 5 managers since 2019. It’s the players. It’s the fucking bang average 40 million dollar players that don’t give a damn about playing for spurs. I hope he played the kids from here on out
2 mega ego managers that were always gonna be short term (Conte, Jose), a desperate last minute appointment (Nuno), a failed experiment (Ange) and now Frank.
Our work in the transfer market has definitely been questionable, but I think our biggest issue has been failing to appoint the right manager tbh.