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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Unless a mini injury crisis takes a few key players out to make us completely unable to pick any points where a relegation battle becomes a genuine possibility, he's very likely to finish the season actually. With how congested the table is where we're still 4 points off 5th somehow, even something like a 3 game win streak would see us leapfrog almost half of the league while completely changing the narrative about Frank. It's infinitely easier to cling on to these hopes than to change the manager mid-season.

Wouldn't it be a daunting task with this nothing football we're playing? Yes, but even mediocre teams can go through these purple patches where all the stars align. We won 3 in a row this February in the midst of a historically bad season. A team like Wolves, virtually this year's historically bad team plus Cunha and Ait Nouri, managed to win 6 in a row. Happens.

As for the season, we'll probably be like United in terms of epitomising the mid-table mediocrity where winning the every other or the every third game gets celebrated as the manager finally turning the corner. Similar to them, we under Frank could finish this season 10th or 11th with a record of 12-13-13 and a GD of 0 or something. Wouldn't get more mediocre than that.

Would of course be a big cause for optimism because we finished 17th, and Arteta also finished 8th in his first season or whatever.
 
SameOldSpurs said:
If both clubs were to approach players offering them similar money and starting 11 positions, all of them would be picking Spurs?

I don't think so, and that's my point. Probably be slightly in our favour. They don't care about the 80s but living in London would be a factor for some.

Newcastle have better players to play alongside and have more chance of being in the Champions League next season.
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No idea but i said Spurs are a bigger club, and I think that's the case regardless of the shambles we are in this moment in time.
 
BJK said:
Unless a mini injury crisis takes a few key players out to make us completely unable to pick any points where a relegation battle becomes a genuine possibility, he's very likely to finish the season actually. With how congested the table is where we're still 4 points off 5th somehow, even something like a 3 game win streak would see us leapfrog almost half of the league while completely changing the narrative about Frank. It's infinitely easier to cling on to these hopes than to change the manager mid-season.

Wouldn't it be a daunting task with this nothing football we're playing? Yes, but even mediocre teams can go through these purple patches where all the stars align. We won 3 in a row this February in the midst of a historically bad season. A team like Wolves, virtually this year's historically bad team plus Cunha and Ait Nouri, managed to win 6 in a row. Happens.

As for the season, we'll probably be like United in terms of epitomising the mid-table mediocrity where winning the every other or the every third game gets celebrated as the manager finally turning the corner. Similar to them, we under Frank could finish this season 10th or 11th with a record of 12-13-13 and a GD of 0 or something. Wouldn't get more mediocre than that.

Would of course be a big cause for optimism because we finished 17th, and Arteta also finished 8th in his first season or whatever.
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I still think we will finish eighth this season and creep into the conference league. Do that and he probably keeps his job until next season...
 
We can’t keep sacking managers, give Frank the season to see if things improve. The club brought in a huge back room staff all geared around Frank’s approach to management - we need to give this a good go.

I’ve been very frustrated with recent performances no doubt about it.
 
postbox said:
We can if there are just no signs of improvement.
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And there aren’t any so far. General play is harder on the eyes. The stats back up that we are worse than last season. And I can’t think of a single player that is better than they were. Gray maybe, because he’s playing in a position that suits him better. But that’s it. And it’s been six months. We were battered at the weekend by a club that was in the Championship three years ago, are owned by a lunatic and on their third manager of the season.

Where are we drawing the line? I get that we think there are no options to replace Frank, but there are if we pay for them. We’ll just choose not to.
 
AberdeenYid said:
And there aren’t any so far. General play is harder on the eyes. The stats back up that we are worse than last season. And I can’t think of a single player that is better than they were. Gray maybe, because he’s playing in a position that suits him better. But that’s it. And it’s been six months. We were battered at the weekend by a club that was in the Championship three years ago, are owned by a lunatic and on their third manager of the season.

Where are we drawing the line? I get that we think there are no options to replace Frank, but there are if we pay for them. We’ll just choose not to.
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Exactly.

As much as its a results business, I genuinely believe the fans would ride out a series of bad results if the underlying performance/work was positive.

Right now, its just not.

I think things need to start showing signs of improvement VERY soon or else he just wont get any more time
 
postbox said:
Exactly.

As much as its a results business, I genuinely believe the fans would ride out a series of bad results if the underlying performance/work was positive.

Right now, its just not.

I think things need to start showing signs of improvement VERY soon or else he just wont get any more time
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I would 100% be fooled if the players even just looked like they gave a shit. But, whilst I’m no world class body language expert, just looks to me like they don’t.

Comfortable life, pile of money, long contract, so don’t really care too much.
 
Brian Fantana said:
I still think we will finish eighth this season and creep into the conference league. Do that and he probably keeps his job until next season...
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He needs to get some rhythm going we had 3 good results so far this month with a couple of decent performances.... followed by an abysmal result and performance against forest.

Hes 4 straight wins in his next 4 to get us back competing for top 5.

But i think he'll get 1 win and a couple of draws and that will maintain through the season.

A win one, draw one, lose one, sort of form for the rest of the season
 
So Arteta got x amount of seasons and he has the goons flying high, means that Frank will have Spurs in the same position with the same x amount of seasons.

It implies that the club may as well of hired a manager from the EFL second division and give them enough time and they will eventually have our club where Woolwich are now.

All this time giving doesn't explain what's so good about Thomas Frank in particular.

I don't believe all this time is required to get the team playing well, surely in Woolwich's case, they don't have the same team now as they had when Arteta took over, so it's more of a case of signing better players than waiting for so many seasons for players to comprehend and apply the manager's instructions.

So we're going to have to wait until the players have been replaced with better players until we can judge Frank against Arteta.

What happens if we keep Frank and we start playing fantastic next season, do we say oh no, we can't enjoy this, he hasn't been in the job as long as Arteta was.
 
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Skippa18 said:
He needs to get some rhythm going we had 3 good results so far this month with a couple of decent performances.... followed by an abysmal result and performance against forest.

Hes 4 straight wins in his next 4 to get us back competing for top 5.

But i think he'll get 1 win and a couple of draws and that will maintain through the season.

A win one, draw one, lose one, sort of form for the rest of the season
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That's the form of midtable teams, which unfortunately is exactly what we are with this playing staff. Any manager coming in may get a new manager bounce but that is it. The players will revert to type. I think an overhaul of the playing staff is imperative. There is just a general malaise. I think it was a huge mistake not to push for players like Norgaard or someone from Brenford just so he had some allies on the pitch. Damsgaard in January should be one to look at but I am not sure we have the appetite for that type of player.

Who knows when Solanke and Kulusevski will be back but we need them. We also need a big window, but I think it is unlikely we will get it. There seems to be a lot of eggs in the Semenyo basket but the competition for him is too big for us.
 
McCOYS said:
So Arteta got x amount of seasons and he has the goons flying high, means that Frank will have Spurs in the same position with the same x amount of seasons.

It implies that the club may as well of hired a manager from the EFL second division and give them enough time and they will eventually have our club where Woolwich are now.

All this time giving doesn't explain what's so good about Thomas Frank in particular.

I don't believe all this time is required to get the team playing well, surely in Woolwich's case, they don't have the same team now as they had when Arteta took over, so it's more of a case of signing better players than waiting for so many seasons for players to comprehend and apply the manager's instructions.

So we're going to have to wait until the players have been replaced with better players until we can judge Frank against Arteta was.

What happens if we keep Frank and we start playing fantastic next season, do we say oh no, we can't enjoy this, he hasn't been in the job as long as Arteta,
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How does anyone believe this kind of spin?
 
McCOYS said:
I don't know but our players go and play for their international teams, different managers. different tactics, different teammates. There seems to be a notion that it takes x amount of time for players to adjust when in fact after Conte they adjusted to what Postecoglou wanted them to do pretty much from match day 1.
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If they are having the manager, which I'm not sure this group of players are. He should have brought a player or two with him from Brentford. But I can see why we didnt as the best two went elsewhere.

They are the top 0.1% of people who can kick a ball on planet earth, they can adjust to different tactics. If they want to.
 
McCOYS said:
I don't know but our players go and play for their international teams, different managers. different tactics, different teammates. There seems to be a notion that it takes x amount of time for players to adjust when in fact after Conte they adjusted to what Postecoglou wanted them to do pretty much from match day 1.
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Almost half the first team were bought for Ange.

Porro had only been there a few months, Udogie made his debut for Ange and he got Vicario, Johnson, Madders and Van Der Ven bought for him that summer. I also suppose it’s easier to play hung-ho madness than it it to learn to be more defensive. That’s one of the worst things, flopping between styles. Pick a lane. If we are an attacking football club, stick to attacking managers.

Otherwise you end up with squads not suited to managers.
 
Brian Fantana said:
If they are having the manager, which I'm not sure this group of players are. He should have brought a player or two with him from Brentford. But I can see why we didnt as the best two went elsewhere.

They are the top 0.1% of people who can kick a ball on planet earth, they can adjust to different tactics. If they want to.
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The way the players have been playing is a kick in the teeth for the supporters, it's not our fault that they don't believe in the manager. There's a chance that if we can ship a few of them out in January and bring in a couple, they may start to get the message that they still need to be putting in a shift, They shouldn't need any more motivation than to look at the size of the supporters that have turned out to watch. When they get signed by the club, their performances aren't conditional depending on their opinion of the present manager at any given time.

Over 60,000 people turn up and pay good money to watch them, and they have decided to put in less effort because they don't like something about the manager. The way and the attitude that they have started so many matches has been disgraceful IMO. The first 10-15 minutes of matches are often hectic with both teams trying to assert dominance, it's like they can't be arsed with that part, and pretty much hand momentum to the opposition.
 
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