-
The Fighting Cock is a forum for fans of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Here you can discuss Spurs latest matches, our squad, tactics and any transfer news surrounding the club. Registration gives you access to all our forums (including 'Off Topic' discussion) and removes most of the adverts (you can remove them all via an account upgrade). You're here now, you might as well...
Manager Thomas Frank
- Thread starter The Fighting Cock
- Start date
Latest Spurs videos from Sky Sports
I'm sure Matt Wells is a nice guy and he has a great Spurs heritage but he's been a coach the last 2.5 seasons and its been fucking dreadful. I'm sure its not all his fault and he has had to work with the pitiful dog eared cards he was dealt with (both players and managers) but i'm not sorry to see anyone leave at this point.
Kane had a handful of goals towards the end of the Sherwood era but had shown nothing to say he could be relied on week-in, week out
Adebayor wasn’t reliable long-term and Pochettino gave up on him pretty quickly.
Walker had a bad 13/14 and spent the majority of Poch’s first season out injured.
Vertonghen - Massive questions over his attitude/commitment when Poch arrived.
Danny Rose - One of Pochettino’s very first acts was to approve of him getting a 5 year deal; and the fanbase reacted very negatively in the main.
Under normal circumstances, I would’ve have picked Kulusevski, Maddison and the 2 centre backs - However this brings me back to my original point, I don’t believe that Frank has the proper long term answers to our issues.
Frank is what he is - an 11th-14th place manager, the job is too big for him, and it’s fine to accept this. He’s a good midtable coach, a bad one for clubs with aspirations beyond that.
You forget that he got us 5th in his first season (without Kane).
.
So you've retrospectively applied appraisals of players that were wrong, and are using those false prophecies to try and claim the squad wasn't very good... didn't turn out to be true, did it?
Meanwhile, you've suggested 2 of the players that haven't been available at all for Frank and "the 2 centre backs", one of which has been a liability.
Why aren't you applying those arguments equally?
- "nothing to say he could be relied on week-in, week out"
- "had a bad (previous season) and spent the majority of (Manager's) first season out injured."
- "Massive questions over his attitude/commitment"
- "wasn’t reliable long-term and (Manager) gave up on him pretty quickly."
Poch showed signs even before he ran with Kane full time.No, it was the exact same thing back on here at this point with Poch tbh. The main difference is he had better players, with Kane having emerged for a start:
We lost 4-1 away to City, but that that performance was very encouraging. Also got a 1-1 at the Emirates and Sunderland draw away and Newcastle at home, we really should have won but just lacked the ability to execute/the opposition keeper had a blinder.
I refused to reduce Poch year 1 down to just Kane’s emergence, he also relied heavily on Mason, Bentaleb, Townsend and 20 year old Eric Dier was a starter straight away. He very quickly got rid of a lot of the older senior player who weren’t willing to or simply wouldn’t follow his style.
That was overwhelmingly to do with Sherwood. Sherwood never rated him and continued afterwards to leap at any opportunity to slate him. That first season under Poch was more uneven than most remember, and was even more about pushing out the figures that Pochettino didn't value that were a negative or disruptive influence on the squad. Pochettino recognized his quality from the jump.
These were things that were said in the moment; in August 2014 Adebayor and Soldado were still seen as the top 2 strikers at the club. The clamour for Kane only came in October.
Walker’s star had dimmed from his brilliant first 2 seasons under Redknapp and AVB, he then became kind of a forgotten man until his bounce back in 15-16.
I’ll conceded that there are similarities between Vertonghen and Romero, however Romero showed up when there was a trophy to be won.
Adebayor was never a certainty for anybody at anytime; he massively underachieved in his career, he should be spoken about like the Salah’s, the Drogba’s and Eto’o, his talent certainly deserved it.
This current squad is far from perfect, nobody is saying it is. However after saying Ange was the worst manager ever, and then subsequently having our strongest window in years, we can’t accept being 14th, and beyond the basic results, Frank’s style and usage of certain players is not telling me that he deserves time.
A manager who deserves time has to show that they are developing something. Poch did so in year one and by this stage 11 years ago I was very confident in him, notwithstanding he had lost 6 in 12 league games at a certain point.
'Tim Sherwood opened his mouth again, which is always a bad sign. Tottenham's loquacious former manager had some rather not-nice things to say about Jan Vertonghen during Spurs' loss to Chelsea on Wednesday in his role as television pundit, and Tottenham's current manager Mauricio Pochettino called him out on it.
“Vertonghen is so poor,” said Tim. “Can’t move his feet. He looks elegant with the ball but he just can’t defend, this guy.”
When asked to comment about Sherwood’s comments on Vertonghen, and holy crap who wouldn’t ask that question of Pochettino after the grenade Sherwood threw, Poche had this to say, according to the Mail:
”People can have their opinions but I am very happy with Jan.
I am not aware of these comments. I give my opinions in private. I think Jan in his first season was maybe the best central defender in England.
Maybe last season he was not as good but he is still a very important player for us.”'
Indeed. Sherwood crucified Jan after we got battered at Chelsea, and a lot of our fans lapped it up.
No, it didn't. As I told the other guy scraping an argument together - those of us that were on here at the time were talking about it in the April in the match threads. You only have to look through Kane's thead - it's all there, preserved.
I even made this post which now seems oddly prophetic, about 'what happens if Adebayor is dropped for Kane and it all kicks off'. It was in July 2014, and a semi SammySpurs rant as a result of me saying that Adebayor was the poison in the squad.
AsArcspacE implies, what if he finds Poch's tactics too similar to AVBs, or if Poch decides he was to play Kane & Soldado up front (and they start banging them in) - would you be okay with him standing up to him in front of the whole team?
Of course Adebayor had come off the good season or at 2/3rd season under Sherwood, and Poch made him a vice captain, but I'd say a good amount of us were clamouring for Kane to be one of our main men. I even remember one of my house mates at the time getting sucked into going to games and was singing "he's one of our own", so I don't know what vacuum you're applying
The Colorado Rapids are owned by Stan Kroenke
No he wasn't - he was bang average under AVB. So Kane played a handful of games tripping over himself in the EL under Redknapp - still no-one knew he was the real deal - only once Poch gave him a real go. Mikey has played more. Is he gonna' make it to those levels? You cannot know yet - that's the point. Archie won Leeds young player of the Season so he's obviously going to make it? I'll put my hands up and say i don't know they will - but they've got the potential and chances under the right manager (not Frank).....
Last edited:
According to my calculation the present points per match is 1.29, over the entire 38 matches it would give the team 49 points.
However the team has earned 8 points from the last 10 matches, which means it's on 0.8 points per match over that period, It means at that rate the team over the next 21 matches would earn 16.8 points, I'll round up to 17 points.
22 + 17 = 39 so 1 point ahead of Postecoglou on present form.
I got this horrid feeling we ain't see the last of him. The stadium is his mausoleum. ENIC own 86.58% of the club with 13.42% owned by minority shareholders. Of the 86.58%, Levy owns 29.88% so approximately 25.87% of the club is still owned by Levy. It is not beyond the realms of possibility for Levy to partner with someone like Amanda Staveley and the Qatari's to regain ownership of the club from the Lewis Trust. Much like a bad movie where you think the villain has been killed off... but at the start of sequel, he somehow survived being shot 100 times, put through a industrial cement mixer and fed to pigs.
But it isn't about projecting present form - the point was that from the point onwards, Postecoglou's results fall to pieces in both seasons, but were dire last season.
So it's strange for Frank to be only, what? 1 point worse off like-for-like (which would also put us in 11th this season), and for us to know that Ange's form went right down the toilet from this point onwards, and yet for the argument to be that he would be doing a better job.
That's without pointing out Ange was a season and a half deep into his 'coaching' by now.
At worst, we're exactly the same as we were last season, splitting hairs aside. The idea that we'd be playing some lovely football is also borrowed from distant memories, as we simply weren't doing that.
He is well respected in the game... but interestingly he's gone to a club owned by the Woolwich owners. I think he will be back in the PL before too long.
for fucks sake stop trying to push your own lack of knowledge as a universal opinion.
Sherwood backed him, and Kane delivered. There were a lot of us backing him
Ex-Spurs Player - Harry Kane
Well pleased for Harry, and I must admit he is on his way to proving me wrong. I never thought he'd make it at Spurs. BUT I did want him to play today. Good to see Tim sticking by him, to think some Spurs fans on various forums who think they know better than Sherwood wanted Soldado to play...
thefightingcock.co.uk
You weren't on here. I've got crisp packets older than your account