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Timberwolf said:
If you push players into the red-zone repeatedly it doesn't just increase the chance of soft tissue injury, though. Increase of bone stress injuries (Kulusevski) and joint/cartilage issues (Solanke) are also tied to overuse and excessive loading.

Not saying it's necessarily all Ange's fault, but I don't think it's a complete coincidence that those two players, who absolutely ran themselves into the ground every single game for Ange - more than anyone else in the squad - have had serious long term injuries.

It's been mentioned in various quarters, including former sports science staff at Celtic, that Ange didn't mind taking risks with players and pushing them beyond what was recommended.

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I blame Ange for everything, even my boiler breaking down
Absolute fucking Cunt
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Timberwolf said:
If you push players into the red-zone repeatedly it doesn't just increase the chance of soft tissue injury, though. Increase of bone stress injuries (Kulusevski) and joint/cartilage issues (Solanke) are also tied to overuse and excessive loading.

Not saying it's necessarily all Ange's fault, but I don't think it's a complete coincidence that those two players, who absolutely ran themselves into the ground every single game for Ange - more than anyone else in the squad - have had serious long term injuries.

It's been mentioned in various quarters, including former sports science staff at Celtic, that Ange didn't mind taking risks with players and pushing them beyond what was recommended.

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lol no. Were the Celtic squad left decimated by long term injuries? No. Why not?

Sorry this is just all pathetic levels of cope by the usual suspects who spent 18 months pissing on everyone's cornflakes over the manager - including pissing over our first trophy in 17 years - all because their entire identity was wrapped up in piss fights about the manager. Piss fights they continue to this very day because they bet the farm on us improving immediately - which of course we haven't. So that ALSO has to be the fault of the previous manager.

Most normal fans moved on 7 months ago. These guys just won't let it go
 
Phomesy said:
Not to mention the fact that the end of the Conte/Stellini/Mason era was some of the most diobolical football ever seen at Tottenham - an entire club in its very knees where it seemed we'd never playing actual football again.

And yet all of that changed the moment Postecoglou stepped through the doors. From preseason we were playing completely different brand of football.

So the suggestion that "it will take years to turn it around" is quite simply utter rank nonsense. How you approach your football is a choice not a reaction.

Frank is hamstrung by the fact that we have a very basic midfield. But that has been the issue at Spurs for years.
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Agree with you up until the last point.

Frank has always liked a “basic” midfield. It’s also a top 3 reason why it’s not going to work out for him here.
 
CJJ said:
No, there are some people who act like he's peak Mourinho.

It is very, very, easy to just talk in straight facts about Postecoglou and it be deemed like some kind of "hate", because the facts are absolutely damning of his ability.

His stint at forest did nothing but put it in bold, size 72 font
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You seem to only judge managers on their stats, without considering the context of their situations.

Question: Why did a Super club like Bayern Munich give Vincent Kompany the job, when he’d been relegated pretty easily at Burnley? Kompany had also woefully underprepared the Clarets in summer 2023-24 by signing a load of kids from France, Belgium, and Holland.

Only a complete moron would think the inflexible Ange, with the Forest squad that has been set-up to deep block and counter under successive managers, wasn’t going to be an utter disaster. Marinakis was an idiot for hiring, but kudos to him for not only realising his mistake quickly, but going back to the closest thing stylistically to Nuno, which was Dyche.

Frank’s turgidity will raise our floor but it will not raise our ceiling. He’s a mid-table merchant and it’s fine to accept this.
 
Mrs Perryman said:
I bet no-one ever called Bill Nick or Ferguson as 'nice'........ tough but fair most probably.
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Yes but unfortunately a different era they managers like Shankly & Busby had respect no like today and the sulky overpaid brats todays managers have to deal with! Anything they don’t like they’ve their agent on speed dial , “it’s no fair” , “don’t want to play here anymore” , ffs
 
Phomesy said:
lol no. Were the Celtic squad left decimated by long term injuries? No. Why not?

Sorry this is just all pathetic levels of cope by the usual suspects who spent 18 months pissing on everyone's cornflakes over the manager - including pissing over our first trophy in 17 years - all because their entire identity was wrapped up in piss fights about the manager. Piss fights they continue to this very day because they bet the farm on us improving immediately - which of course we haven't. So that ALSO has to be the fault of the previous manager.

Most normal fans moved on 7 months ago. These guys just won't let it go
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Post of the year...

leonardo dicaprio bravo GIF
 
TonySoprano said:
Well they were bright enough to evolve. They would still be successful now albeit with modified methods.
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Ferguson’s genius lay in the fact that he’d always change his backroom team every half decade. He also gradually took a back step from Man Utd’s tactical approach the longer he was there.

By the end he was more of a godfather-like mentality figurehead, who knew what a good player looked like.

At Spurs I feel one of our biggest losses has been David Pleat. If he was still around, no way do we miss out on the likes of Rodgers and Wharton.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
Ferguson’s genius lay in the fact that he’d always change his backroom team every half decade. He also gradually took a back step from Man Utd’s tactical approach the longer he was there.

By the end he was more of a godfather-like mentality figurehead, who knew what a good player looked like.

At Spurs I feel one of our biggest losses has been David Pleat. If he was still around, no way do we miss out on the likes of Rodgers and Wharton.
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Pleat’s 86/87 team as so fucking good
 
CJJ said:
Tottenham in the league since matchday 11 23/24 until end of 24/25 - with Heung Min Son:
(e.g. Ange's Tottenham after the first 10 games, until the end of the second season)

PWDLPointsPoints per Game
6623934781.17

Tottenham this season
PWDL PointsPoints per Game
18747251.39
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I always love a “stat” that removes games you just don’t want to include as it fucks up your argument. Let’s see one with Ange’s first 10 games included please? Unless there’s a viable reason for not including them that doesn’t rhyme with Bagenda.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
You seem to only judge managers on their stats, without considering the context of their situations.

Question: Why did a Super club like Bayern Munich give Vincent Kompany the job, when he’d been relegated pretty easily at Burnley? Kompany had also woefully underprepared the Clarets in summer 2023-24 by signing a load of kids from France, Belgium, and Holland.

Only a complete moron would think the inflexible Ange, with the Forest squad that has been set-up to deep block and counter under successive managers, wasn’t going to be an utter disaster. Marinakis was an idiot for hiring, but kudos to him for not only realising his mistake quickly, but going back to the closest thing stylistically to Nuno, which was Dyche.

Frank’s turgidity will raise our floor but it will not raise our ceiling. He’s a mid-table merchant and it’s fine to accept this.
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It isn't really an argument of whether Frank is "the one" for me, it's the preposterous idea that is regularly put forward that it was a mistake to get rid of Postecoglou, or to bring him back. That seems to be the narrative that is used to criticise Frank, when by all means we could put a baked potato in charge and be better off managerially
 
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