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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Phomesy said:
Completely Deranged and obsessive.

You can't stop talking about him. Do you want me to make a list of every post you mention him in? Fuck me... seek help.
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There's 6 pages of you mentioning ange in this thread, claiming to not care or support him, but you're here every time stoking the fire of it. If you don't care, don't bring it up. Either admit that you're offended by people pushing back on the glorifying of his awful stint or just scroll past. It's not hard
 
postbox said:
Been saying since Liverpool Sunderland is the one for me, depending on Palace/Brentford.

First home game in a few - if the run is bad the fans will have the chance to voice their feelings.

I quite expected a loss against Palace, and while Im delighted with 3 points I wonder if the performance is appreciated.

Brentford just didnt turn up against us the other week, they were very poor - but they are strong at home. And Shade running off Porro will be a worry. So Im not exactly confident in a result there.
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If the performance is like Palace, I’m not confident at all.

Xavi was the one who dismantled Brentford at home as well and he’s not available. Some big decisions for Frank to make but he definitely knows how to best Brentford.
 
Never say never, we could easily lose to Brentford, Sunderland and Villa in the cup and he's hanging by a thread if not gone but if he picks up the odd result i dont think we'll sack him during the season. It cost £10m to get him and his team and you're probably paying at least that again to pay them off. We'd also have to pay more compo to get a decent replacement. Our CEO and Lange were all over the appointment and the former has had plaudits for sticking by Arteta. They'll also be plenty of sympathy for not having Maddison, Kulusevski and Solanke available at all and despite what people think last seasons 17th will also come into the equation.
 
CJJ said:
Yes, we won a trophy. We had one shot on target. Their keeper made no saves in the entire game. The second half, we had no shots. None at all. No corners. 35% possession all game. Those are the statistics that make up a fact.
If that was "the greatest night" of your spurs supporting life, good for you - but it was a terrible game of football.
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So had we won the final 10-0 would you have celebrated winning out first trophy in 17 years? It’s actually unbelievable the lengths of mental gymnastics you will go to in discrediting our win! :sonpoint:

Being a spurs fan is bad enough , however not even being able to enjoy the little moments must be even worse , all because you can’t bring yourself to admit that even though it was right to sack Ange he also done something no one else of recent history could and that was win us a trophy ,
The game is about Glory! Anyway this is getting very fucking boring , go and shout at some clouds or something
 
sudoku said:
Enough, already.
In the name of Jesus take this to the Ange thread.
He ain't our manager no more.
I don't want to put you on ignore.
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It is very relevant to the discussion of Frank because a huge amount of the criticism is based on the embellishment of the last 2 seasons of our form.

And - this is the pertinent point that a few of you seem to be choosing to ignore - he's managing a team that got an average of 1.17 points per game over the last 66 premier league games

There's no name mentioned in that, if it makes you feel better. And if anyone wants to wet their knickers over it, then feel free to sod off to the Ange thread and have a circle jerk over him.

It does not change the fact - to repeat, that this club has averaged 1.17 points per game over the last 66 games of premier league football, which is what you'd get from a 45 point season.

Therefore, people should judge him based on picking up a team that has been statistically a lower-bottom half team for 2 years now.

Again - not an Ange topic - it's the status quo for the challenge in hand.
 
The thing that annoys me the most about Frank (apart from the eye watering football) is him lowering expectations to Brentford style levels

Every press conference he says we’re gonna lose and refers to 17th last year

He’s lowered expectations so much that people are genuinely happy with a scratchy win against a palace team in horror form
 
CJJ said:
It is very relevant to the discussion of Frank because a huge amount of the criticism is based on the embellishment of the last 2 seasons of our form.

And - this is the pertinent point that a few of you seem to be choosing to ignore - he's managing a team that got an average of 1.17 points per game over the last 66 premier league games

There's no name mentioned in that, if it makes you feel better. And if anyone wants to wet their knickers over it, then feel free to sod off to the Ange thread and have a circle jerk over him.

It does not change the fact - to repeat, that this club has averaged 1.17 points per game over the last 66 games of premier league football, which is what you'd get from a 45 point season.

Therefore, people should judge him based on picking up a team that has been statistically a lower-bottom half team for 2 years now.

Again - not an Ange topic - it's the status quo for the challenge in hand.
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You are on ignore and foul voted.
 
CJJ said:
It isn't really an argument of whether Frank is "the one" for me, it's the preposterous idea that is regularly put forward that it was a mistake to get rid of Postecoglou, or to bring him back. That seems to be the narrative that is used to criticise Frank, when by all means we could put a baked potato in charge and be better off managerially
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Ange deserved the sack, and it was also a mistake to hire Frank - both can be true.

What I will say is that the 17th place finish was rightly considered such an abomination, and Frank came in with a tonne of hype regarding his “flexibility and pragmatism”.

Frank is already out of the league cup as well.

Judge Frank by Frank, and Ange by Ange.
 
CJJ said:
It is very relevant to the discussion of Frank because a huge amount of the criticism is based on the embellishment of the last 2 seasons of our form.

And - this is the pertinent point that a few of you seem to be choosing to ignore - he's managing a team that got an average of 1.17 points per game over the last 66 premier league games

There's no name mentioned in that, if it makes you feel better. And if anyone wants to wet their knickers over it, then feel free to sod off to the Ange thread and have a circle jerk over him.

It does not change the fact - to repeat, that this club has averaged 1.17 points per game over the last 66 games of premier league football, which is what you'd get from a 45 point season.

Therefore, people should judge him based on picking up a team that has been statistically a lower-bottom half team for 2 years now.

Again - not an Ange topic - it's the status quo for the challenge in hand.
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We’re already out of a cup competition if you want to go down that road.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
We’re already out of a cup competition if you want to go down that road.
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I don't really see what the League Cup has to do with any of that.

The expectations in place are as if we're coming off the back of the seasons we've been used to since the Jol days (around/about the CL places), but our form, as a club, is a considerable distance from that for quite some time (almost two full seasons of football).

I think you either hope to patch over that, or you rebuild for a sustained period. It's part of why clubs like Chelsea seem to be able to finish 10th one season and 2nd the next. You can't realistically expect to go from near 1 ppg to getting 2 ppg instantly unless you're squeezing something out of a squad that won't last.
That could be, in the 23/24 case, a radical tactic that won't last over a season for various reasons. It could be gambling the fitness of our best player. It could be an abrupt motivator like Mourinho or Conte, but you end up starting again 18 months later because that's how it seems to work with those types.

We have a squad that is not used to winning games. We may need to dilute that mentality with new players - of which we've only had one window so far, and - to be fair to Frank - he's spent most of that probably being mislead into thinking the ones we have are good enough.

I'm not convinced any manager is going to come into this team and make Porro, Vicario, or Bentancur - as examples - suddenly look like they are top 4 quality.

I'm just disappointed we've not seen them dropped yet
 
CJJ said:
I don't really see what the League Cup has to do with any of that.

The expectations in place are as if we're coming off the back of the seasons we've been used to since the Jol days (around/about the CL places), but our form, as a club, is a considerable distance from that for quite some time (almost two full seasons of football).

I think you either hope to patch over that, or you rebuild for a sustained period. It's part of why clubs like Chelsea seem to be able to finish 10th one season and 2nd the next. You can't realistically expect to go from near 1 ppg to getting 2 ppg instantly unless you're squeezing something out of a squad that won't last.
That could be, in the 23/24 case, a radical tactic that won't last over a season for various reasons. It could be gambling the fitness of our best player. It could be an abrupt motivator like Mourinho or Conte, but you end up starting again 18 months later because that's how it seems to work with those types.

We have a squad that is not used to winning games. We may need to dilute that mentality with new players - of which we've only had one window so far, and - to be fair to Frank - he's spent most of that probably being mislead into thinking the ones we have are good enough.

I'm not convinced any manager is going to come into this team and make Porro, Vicario, or Bentancur - as examples - suddenly look like they are top 4 quality.

I'm just disappointed we've not seen them dropped yet
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A braver manager, if he truly was sticking to his guns, would drop underperforming senior players. It’s what Pochettino had done this far into his stint.

He’s just a rigid as his predecessor was in different ways.

Frank has had a full preseason, a transfer window, we’re 6 months in and we can’t string 4 passes together. What is his progress beyond his obsession with duels?
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
A braver manager, if he truly was sticking to his guns, would drop underperforming senior players. It’s what Pochettino had done this far into his stint.

He’s just a rigid as his predecessor was in different ways.

Frank has had a full preseason, a transfer window, we’re 6 months in and we can’t string 4 passes together. What is his progress beyond his obsession with duels?
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Agree, no excuses can be made for the poor pasing and lack of creativity.
Against Palace, despite winning, it was a dire watch seeing how badly they couldn't keep the ball.
Professional players and a coaching team yet, still they look like league 2 standard.
Honestly looks like Ray Charles has had some input into the coaching of patterns of play.
 
CJJ said:
We have a squad that is not used to winning games. We may need to dilute that mentality with new players - of which we've only had one window so far, and - to be fair to Frank - he's spent most of that probably being mislead into thinking the ones we have are good enough.

I'm not convinced any manager is going to come into this team and make Porro, Vicario, or Bentancur - as examples - suddenly look like they are top 4 quality.

I'm just disappointed we've not seen them dropped yet
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If I'm honest, this bugs me no end. Truth is they just won us a European trophy we last seen in 40 years. Not even the some of the greatest players we have seen in the last 40 years lifted that but them.

And on the contrary, I think these lads hate losing more now after winning EL. But what can they do that they are under the coaching of coward Frank? Throwing some tantrums on field to get sent off? Blanking the managers? Even possibly, I'm starting to suspect, taking their own sweet time to come back from injuries so they could play as little time as possible under Frank.
 
Larry David said:
The thing that annoys me the most about Frank (apart from the eye watering football) is him lowering expectations to Brentford style levels

Every press conference he says we’re gonna lose and refers to 17th last year

He’s lowered expectations so much that people are genuinely happy with a scratchy win against a palace team in horror form
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Yeh I find that laughable when we finished 5th the year prior and when we did finished 17th we won a European trophy and that was with the worse injury crisis I have seen us or perhaps any Prem club ever have. It might not be a top 4 squad but setting expectations so low that you can hit them isn’t the mark of a winner.
 
CJJ said:
The whole ange cult thing is like one giant strawman. Even in the last page, you can't bring up what a useless manager he was without someone going "but the Europa League".

Someone even said the other day that we played well in that final ffs.

(following bit is not 'you' you, but the people reading)

Even if Frank lost every game 10-0 all season, it wouldn't mean it was a mistake to get rid of the last guy. No event would. Similarly, no event would justify him returning, ever.
People need to get over that and stop lauding a scruffy cup run as some kind of turning of the tides.

Yes, we won a trophy. We had one shot on target. Their keeper made no saves in the entire game. The second half, we had no shots. None at all. No corners. 35% possession all game. Those are the statistics that make up a fact.
If that was "the greatest night" of your spurs supporting life, good for you - but it was a terrible game of football.

You can admit that we had one of our worst managers in recent history, and a worse performance that we've shown all season so far, and yet not be lambasted as "not a real spurs fan". It's actually embarrassing to be cheerleading last season in that way, because we were a scuffed half-shot away from being beaten in a final by the worse man utd team for decades.
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I am worried about you. I really am. Winning that Europa League was an incredible day. My 18 year old son was convinced he would never see us win anything (he was just a baby in nappies in 2008). It was joyous occasion, full of emotion and we hugged and cried when the final whistle went. I dare say many Spurs fans felt the same. But for some reason, it pains you. It is almost like you would prefer to hand it back to UEFA and say no thank you, we don't deserve it. You have this weird belief that any fan celebrating winning our first trophy since 2008 is an Ange lover. They aren't!!! Just look... 8% of people on this forum want Ange back and I would dare say a few of those are rival fans. It's like you're locked in a room fighting yourself and nobody can find the key to let you out. But I am willing to put the hard yards in to help you. I have a key right here. Let me release you from this needless crusade to continue belittling our Europa League win because of the corresponding position we finished in the League. Those two are not mutually exclusive. Very few want Ange back. The majority wanted him sacked. But a growing majority don't want Frank here. It's okay if you like Frank and think he's better than Ange. Personally, they are both crap and picking one is like asking me if I would prefer Beverley Allitt or Lucy Letby to look after my children. By the way, we were a scuffed half-shot away from a penalty shoot out. That United team could still be playing now and wouldn't have scored. And I'd of fancied my chances with Onana being in goal for them.
 
I’ve pretty much gone beyond blaming this or that manager , we could get Pep in , Klopp , after a while we’d revert to the status quo .

There’s a mental apathy at the club & has been for years. Too to bottom , we’ll have the odd highlight & many meh moments

The players are comfortable, the backroom staff will be seen to be trying without any real goal or direction. Talk the talk but with the current owners it’ll always be a gesture rather than ambition, has been for decades
 
CJJ said:
There's 6 pages of you mentioning ange in this thread, claiming to not care or support him, but you're here every time stoking the fire of it. If you don't care, don't bring it up. Either admit that you're offended by people pushing back on the glorifying of his awful stint or just scroll past. It's not hard
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All I do is respond to Derangers with facts.

Oh... and I don't piss on our European Trophy win. I fucking celebrate it.

And I support Frank just as I did Ange, Conte, Mourinho and Poch etc...

I want them all to have signed a world class midfielder - especially while we had the best striker in the world.

You have no idea how fucking weird and obsessed you look to normal fans. Just fucking move on mate.
 
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