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Manager Thomas Frank

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This website claims that Frank doesn't know what type of player Bergvall is.

Thomas Frank said after the 1-1 Tottenham Hotspur draw with Sunderland, via The Spurs Express, “When we put Joao and Lucas on there was a lot of running and it was back and forth. Lucas has played as a 10 and is almost a like-for-like for Wilson.”

Lucas Bergvall is a robust, athletic, and box to box No. 8 who is almost a prototype of this type of player. Wilson Odobert is an elegant, technical playmaker who can play as a No. 10 or an inverted left winger. These two players could not be further from each other and are nothing alike.

 
Lack of progressive passing in midfield is both a Frank and a player issue. Doesn't have to be either-or.

It's a player issue to the extent that we virtually never see any of our midfielders show the kind of urgency and enthusiasm that a 33 year old Xhaka shows in making himself available for passes from his defenders.



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Compare these to this that generated a rather lengthy conversation in another thread.

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Frank's part in this warrants a much longer and detailed post that I'm hoping to make at some point .

For the time being, I can repeat many people have already observed and pointed out: Players are instructed to seek mid / long range passes that bypass the midfield area altogether, in a way that Sunderland players aren't for example.

And on the relatively rare occasions that they try to pass their way out of trouble, the passes are disproportionately directed towards wide areas / players. The ball might eventually find its way to the centre, but only if the initial breakthough is achieved from a wide area. To the extent that the ball gets lost in the process, which happens quite often, midfielders won't see it.

I'm not saying there aren't tactical/motivational issues.
BUT
The biggest let down this season has been individual errors. Over and over, be it the ones that lead to us conceding goals, or smaller ones where a better pass would have led to a goal scoring opportunity.
It's happened over, and over, and over.
At least half a dozen times yesterday alone a simple pass was too challenging and it was over/under hit.
We're also playing with a team of bang average midfielders and there's nothing we can currently do to change that. Palinha, Bentancur, Gray, Bergvall, they're all atheltes and not a lot more at all. Same for Sarr when he's back.
Swap one of those for a Dembele.
Swap another for an Eriksen.
Then all of a sudden, most of Franks "tactics" are less of an issue.
 
In 24/25 our longest unbeaten run was 3 games in MW's 24/25/26
That happened once.
Outside of that, it was 2 which happened three times.
All season.
38 games.


This season we have already had two 3 match unbeaten spells.
We've already had two 2 match unbeaten runs.

There's some weird factbending going on here.
We were fucking awful last season. We were losing soooo many games and, despite what some drunken/idiotic fans say, we weren't playing good football when losing them.

No, this isn't good football.
No, I don't expect anyone to enjoy it.
But ffs stop saying we've got worse.
 
We were 4th when we sacked Conte, Chelsea 5th with Maresca , Utd 6th with Amorin. None are league position related, just that they all spoke out about their boards. If a manager toes the party line they can get away with a lot as we've seen last and this season.
We were circling the plughole when we finally decided Ange would take us down. But he never opened his gob.
 
At what point are Frank's coaches going to work on spence, Tel & Odoberts Left foot, if these guy could control and pass with their Left (not asking for them to be come Left footers) we would be much better off
the coaches and players have all day every day surely they can set aside 30 mins a day to work with these players
its not hard its just coaching
(that is what they are paid for)
 
After 16 games is quite a specific stopping point, seeing as we have played 20 league games now.
It was also boosted enormously by 3 goals in a 4-3 loss to Chelsea and a battering of Southampton in G/W 16.
A look at the actual matches also paints a picture worth noting. 5 Vs Southampton, 4 Vs City, 4 Vs Everton, 4 Vs West Ham, 4 Vs Villa.
Buuuut 1 Vs Leicester, 1 Vs Newcastle, 1 Vs Ipswich, 1 Vs Fulham, 0 Vs Arse, Palace or Bournemouth.
We didn't win a single game where we scored 1. We didn't even draw a game where we didn't score at all.

Under no circumstances should we be looking back fondly on last season.
We lost 7 of those 16. We've only lost 7 of 20 so far.
At M/W 20, we'd already lost 10.
Liverpool put 6 past us.
From MW 17 we lost 6 of 7 games a draw stopping it being 7 in a row. By MILES the worst run of results in the PL era.

ANGE WAS AWFUL.

The tweet is dated 20/12 - probably about right at that time?

That being said, at no point am I suggesting Ange wasnt awful. Rather, I thought the comparison was interesting.

Ange was awful, but at that point - probably doing better than Frank now - goes to show just how bad Frank is (IMO)
 
I think too many people underestimate how good that squad was and the odds of us ever assembling anywhere near such a good team.
The only way it would ever happen again is for unrestricted spending in tandem with the hiring of the very best talent scouts in the world.
Neither will happen at Spurs. We're too busy rummaging around in the clearance buckets.

Actually, I think the opposite. The squad wasn't as good as we like to think, and was competing in a weak EPL where all the major teams were going through transition.

Vertonghen, Lloris. Toby, Kane, Son, Dele, Eriksen, Dembele, Tripper the stand outs. But you also trash like Rose, Aurier, Jansen, Lamela, Wanyama, N'jie, Fazio, Wimmer, walker Peters, Nkoudu, Sissoko, Winks, Skipp
 

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The tweet is dated 20/12 - probably about right at that time?

That being said, at no point am I suggesting Ange wasnt awful. Rather, I thought the comparison was interesting.

Ange was awful, but at that point - probably doing better than Frank now - goes to show just how bad Frank is (IMO)
It was probably right then, but after that we went down the shitter rapidly.
And Ange was on his 2nd season and wasn't trying to undo the mess he made when he normalised losing.
 
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