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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Papafeels said:
What's balanced about anything you said? Balance would be, one won us a trophy, one has turned us prehistoric.

For what it's worth, both are fucking awful. But if I'm going to watch us lose or draw every week, I'd rather it not be cruel and unusual punishment to watch.
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That isn't balanced. For a start, you're comparing apples to oranges.

The current manager hasn't been given the opportunity to win a trophy, and if the "prehistoric" thing is around performance, then that was absolutely present all the way up to the final whistle in bilbao.

I think you're misrepresenting what the last 18 months or more of the previous tenure was like on the eyes. Fans weren't arguing with him over nothing
 
Fattynomates said:
Question is would anyone take him here? Obviously its no easy feat to win the league but I think last season he was riding on Klopps coat-tails so to speak , still i'd take him over Frank all day
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So what I have noticed between Liverpool last season and this, is their intensity. Last season when we played them every time one of our players had the ball they were there touch tight, not giving away fouls but there was bodily contact to put us off. This season, none of that at all. The intensity had fallen off completely. They were happy for us just to have the ball.

So something has happened since last season. The players have stopped doing it or it is tactical. But why would you change?

Just something I noticed about Slot. Is this now "his" football. Same as with Frank, they either cant get the players to do what they want and they arent having him or the tactics are different.

Would I have Slot, based on the paragraph above, no. They have dropped off massively stylistically and that has to be down to his coaching and management. Given how we have been the last 18 months, I think he would have the same problems here as Frank.
 
WillWilliams said:
West Ham fans. Should have guessed. They have form in kitty abuse.
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Usually either spammers or Woolwich fans yeah. Would have to pretend not to have an interest in football to avoid the torture.
I usually found most managers I worked under be both total tossers and, unsurprisingly, west ham or Woolwich fans. Mugs, mousemat, screensaver type people.
I have a nice official spurs tie that I'd wear quite a lot but would actively avoid bringing up football politics with people who'd be petty enough to treat you badly in work because of it
 
Brian Fantana said:
So what I have noticed between Liverpool last season and this, is their intensity. Last season when we played them every time one of our players had the ball they were there touch tight, not giving away fouls but there was bodily contact to put us off. This season, none of that at all. The intensity had fallen off completely. They were happy for us just to have the ball.

So something has happened since last season. The players have stopped doing it or it is tactical. But why would you change?

Just something I noticed about Slot. Is this now "his" football. Same as with Frank, they either cant get the players to do what they want and they arent having him or the tactics are different.

Would I have Slot, based on the paragraph above, no. They have dropped off massively stylistically and that has to be down to his coaching and management. Given how we have been the last 18 months, I think he would have the same problems here as Frank.
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That's the thing - there isn't a difference.

We were seeing the same behaviour from the players last season, which is where I recall there was a clash between people saying he'd lost the dressing room (because they were playing like they are now, just sloppy/lazy) and people saying they were just burnt out from too many games.

You can watch matches from last season and the only difference between then and now is Son, Kulusevski, and Maddison pulling off shots and passes that no one else in the squad has in their locker.

It's really visible in the ipswich game


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_if9Sx5z1Q&t=182s
 
Brian Fantana said:
So what I have noticed between Liverpool last season and this, is their intensity. Last season when we played them every time one of our players had the ball they were there touch tight, not giving away fouls but there was bodily contact to put us off. This season, none of that at all. The intensity had fallen off completely. They were happy for us just to have the ball.

So something has happened since last season. The players have stopped doing it or it is tactical. But why would you change?

Just something I noticed about Slot. Is this now "his" football. Same as with Frank, they either cant get the players to do what they want and they arent having him or the tactics are different.

Would I have Slot, based on the paragraph above, no. They have dropped off massively stylistically and that has to be down to his coaching and management. Given how we have been the last 18 months, I think he would have the same problems here as Frank.
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To be fair, it could have a bit to do with Diego Jota?

Probably a bit of both. I think Slot just picked a side that Kloppity already had moulded already last year and won it by default because the other challengers had a bad year.

This summer he has spent badly and should have sold Salah but was too weak to do it.

I'm just listening to our preview with a Brentford fan (I'm Sunderland remember) and their fan described your 0-0 as like two Brentford clones playing each other.

I didn't pay too much attention to the premier league when we weren't in it. It seems to me possibly the issue is Frank had Brentford as 'functional' rather than great football, but Spurs expect better than that? Is he the man to do better than functional and put games to bed?

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Prokofiev said:
To be fair, it could have a bit to do with Diego Jota?

Probably a bit of both. I think Slot just picked a side that Kloppity already had moulded already last year and won it by default because the other challengers had a bad year.

This summer he has spent badly and should have sold Salah but was too weak to do it.

I'm just listening to our preview with a Brentford fan (I'm Sunderland remember) and their fan described your 0-0 as like two Brentford clones playing each other.

I didn't pay too much attention to the premier league when we weren't in it. It seems to me possibly the issue is Frank had Brentford as 'functional' rather than great football, but Spurs expect better than that? Is he the man to do better than functional and put games to bed?

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I reckon it's mostly just because in his first season they signed what, one player? He kept everything status quo for the year to see what he had.

A summer of upheaval, certainly Jota's passing can't be overlooked, that's traumatic. The Salah situation can't be easy either. A lot of that team need to moved a long, much like our squad after Poch left, but took too long and we completely stagnated.

But now that this is mostly his Liverpool team, playing his way, it definitely doesn't look very good. Not convinced he's very good. Di Matteo win a CL just by sitting back and doing what the previous coach had done.
 
SaskaSpur said:
Frank hasn’t done miracles but before shouting about a new manager think about this:

How many of our starting 11 tonight fit into that Sunderland squad?
Our mids? Nope, maybe Gray cause he’s young.
Striker? Nope.
Forwards? Maybe.
Back 4? VDV probably, I wouldn’t pick Romero over anyone, Porro probably.
Keeper? Nope.

That’s compared to a newly promoted club. That’s the quality that we have on the field.
A new manager will inherit an absolutely dreadful squad and nothing will change unless we get a whole oil change of a squad. I’m not 100% sold on Frank and I’m losing heart but my God he has slim pickings to work with.
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Stupid case! Ffs how much have we spent on these players. A lot of whom some on here have advocated and continued to support. Can anyone seriously say the £70 M spent on tel and oddjob couldn’t have been spent better. It’s the acceptance of crap by many fans who say shit like “ there’s a player in there”. Biggest bollocks ever. I would much rather have our young academy players given a chance. Frank in his first season should have used to see which ones could be developed. After all it was claimed him and his expert coaching team were experts in developing players. He has missed a massive trick. I think most fans would have got on board with such a policy and if he said from the outset this will be about evaluation. No one can tell me that players like oddjob, tel, gray, berg etc are better or more deserving of given an opportunity playing for spurs than Moore, lankshear, Devine, etc. that’s without mentioning players like lucas, scarlett, yang, vuskowich etc.
 
CJJ said:
Which is fine, but people are criticising the current manager in a way that rewrites history. You can look back through every manager, even to Poch's reign, and see signs of defeatism, or "reality", not understanding how the fans think etc. It wasn't remotely as big as it is now. Previous manager actively criticised fans, argued with them, cupped his ear to them, and that's seemingly no where near as antagonising as a passive description of the current state of the top 4

I don't know why it's being wheeled out as confirmation bias now. People were jumping on him saying "top, top" early on, as if it really matters. You'll have people saying stuff like "he should be sacked because he won't give a timeline on Solanke" and other really odd things like that.

People used to say that Levy used to shield himself behind the managers, but to me it looks like Levy himself was the criticism shield. People are pinning everything on the way Frank talks, looks, and the nuances of his adjectives because there's no clear idea of who exactly is running the club and making decisions
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Frank is their Levy proxy. They need someone to hit with the blamethrower.

Maybe it’s just that the team isn’t as good as we’d like it to be?
 
So we are at half time... 1:2 down vs Bournemouth.
This is Thomas Frank official game no 30 in charge.

One of the two things have to happen in my eyes so he would deserve 31st game -
a) either we turn this around and win the game
b) he drops Romero in half time for Danso and there will be a official statement about Romero being stripped of captain role (and preferrably sold within January)

I mean... I am already used to Romero costing goals. But in this game... doing absolutely nothing for the 2 goals. Plus also totally misjudged a cross that would have gifted Evalinson free route to goal.

How can we expect other players to actually fight for team or respect the manager if captain is basically spitting into manager face every other game? Recently even more often.

Heads have to start rolling. Either Romero or Frank. OR third option they together keep delivering results. Which is unlikeliest of the three versions.
 
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