Manager Thomas Frank

[glacierSpurs]

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I hate his blabbering of '100 percent'. 100 percent we will lose games, 100 percent we want higher position in the table, 100 percent we will attack. Fucking nonsense. He's so fucking full of BS. And now he's implying our players are not attacking and not tough. Everything but him is the problem.

And wtf is the ex scum Vinai waiting for. Just fucking boot him out.

 

[_mehstg]

The derangers on here promised everyone "any half decent manager will have us flying up the table"

Turns out they were right - but unfortunately it was Brentford who flew up the table not Spurs

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I forgot about the nugget.
I think there was some small print attached to it.

 

[Matt1882]

The squad is on it's knees, again.
3rd season in a row.

I'll take ugly performances if they get results in this difficult time.
Hopefully he's not as reckless as the last one and goes gung ho when the players he has aren't up to it.

 

[For better or worse]

Feel like Romero’s antics took the focus off him, feels like a stay of execution, at least for now. With no players arguing with the crowd, and another loss, there won’t be anything to deflect the attention… then what?

Does feel tragic at the moment.

 

[_mehstg]

These midfielders are not good enough, enough here being defined as being at the level of a top 5 or even a top 7-8 team. Some of Frank's eccentricities bring out the worst in them; but he hasn't turned a bunch of peak Dembeles and Modrics into players who do these:

You saw at the weekend how a 33 year old Xhaka was busting a gut to find himself openings right? Now look at the sharp contrast between that and this

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What happened there?

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Yeah I know, Bentancur in the second screenshot is looking at the opposite direction of Bergvall's ; just pointing out the passing opportunity that he missed by not scanning his environment properly.

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The same as above, although in this instance Frank's preference for direct play might also be coming into the picture considering how decisive and purposeful Palhinha appears to be with that long ball

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Can't shake off a defender, has to go back. If you think I'm being unreasonable by expecting him [and midfielders in general] to do better in such situations, see the next gif.

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See, it's not that difficult

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So, to recap, midfielders ;

• are not totally immune to butchering even the simplest of passes​
• are often showing little enthusiasm for making themselves available when defenders are searching for a forward pass in vain​
• very rarely manage to escape pressure through dribbling​
• sometimes fail to spot, let alone actually make, those aforementioned simple passes​

I could go on with even more footage; but don't see the point of boring you even more than I probably already have. You could try watching the next game of someone like Wharton, just an example whose game I'm more familiar with, to see yourself the magnitude of the contrast between proper midfield play and the stuff above.

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Well done for putting in the effort to support your point of view but Ive seen these players shift the ball quickly, pass forward and drive forward with the ball. They're not the best but they are better than this and unfortunately my view is that this is on Frank. 70% Frank's tactics 30% the players ability. I'm sure many will agree with you though.

 

[Fattynomates]

I didn’t realise Brentford have moved up to 5th (I tend to not look at the table much these days). For that alone Frank should be sacked; they lost half their attack and are better than they were under him.

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But Brentford have a better squad then us , thats the problem, said the people who kept telling us Brentford were only mid table as they didn't spend enough on the squad, and Frank alone was what had kept them in the league and imagine what happens when you give Frank our squad!!!!

 

[Fattynomates]

These midfielders are not good enough, enough here being defined as being at the level of a top 5 or even a top 7-8 team. Some of Frank's eccentricities bring out the worst in them; but he hasn't turned a bunch of peak Dembeles and Modrics into players who do these:

You saw at the weekend how a 33 year old Xhaka was busting a gut to find himself openings right? Now look at the sharp contrast between that and this

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What happened there?

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Yeah I know, Bentancur in the second screenshot is looking at the opposite direction of Bergvall's ; just pointing out the passing opportunity that he missed by not scanning his environment properly.

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The same as above, although in this instance Frank's preference for direct play might also be coming into the picture considering how decisive and purposeful Palhinha appears to be with that long ball

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Can't shake off a defender, has to go back. If you think I'm being unreasonable by expecting him [and midfielders in general] to do better in such situations, see the next gif.

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See, it's not that difficult

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So, to recap, midfielders ;

• are not totally immune to butchering even the simplest of passes​
• are often showing little enthusiasm for making themselves available when defenders are searching for a forward pass in vain​
• very rarely manage to escape pressure through dribbling​
• sometimes fail to spot, let alone actually make, those aforementioned simple passes​

I could go on with even more footage; but don't see the point of boring you even more than I probably already have. You could try watching the next game of someone like Wharton, just an example whose game I'm more familiar with, to see yourself the magnitude of the contrast between proper midfield play and the stuff above.

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Good post, If you have time it would be good to analyse some of Franks Games at Brentford last season, see if there are any similarities?

 

[theyearoftheone]

I hate his blabbering of '100 percent'. 100 percent we will lose games, 100 percent we want higher position in the table, 100 percent we will attack. Fucking nonsense. He's so fucking full of BS. And now he's implying our players are not attacking and not tough. Everything but him is the problem.

And wtf is the ex scum Vinai waiting for. Just fucking boot him out.

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100 percent

 

[Jaynola]

I said elsewhere on here that the current bottom three are nailed on to be relegated but we will still struggle to finish outside the bottom six!

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My man, wouldn't it be so Spurs though to get relegated by Nuno's West Ham? After the Eze hat trick, the Forest hammering, Arse fanboy Semenyo scoring the winner twice...

 

[Jaynola]

The club wants to reach the latter stages????

How about wanting to win it!!!

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Says it all, don't it

 

[Jaynola]

View: https://youtu.be/XW0j84fM2fU?si=ab8Irhx3-LJqQmMJ

Min 7.40.....coaches meeting, match debrief after 0-2 loss at home to Liverpool

All the focus is on how they didn't defend properly for Liverpools late goals, very little about Brentford failing to score or create clear chances

Frank is clearly pragmatic, the defensive side of the game is more important than the attacking part.

Interesting that Keith Andrew sitting at the table next to Cochrane looks bored out of his brains at this over analysis and he's thinking of how different he would approach the analysis if he was in charge

In a way i feel sorry for Frank, he is a good guy, very detailed in his approach, but he is the wrong fit for Tottenham. He says in the video he is adaptable but he is going to have to adapt hard if he is to miraculously keep the Spurs job.

While he is still here id love him to find the magical formula to turn this ship around. He seems the type to need to time to make core profound changes but he won't get that time here.

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We picked the wrong person from Brentford, is all.

These bright fellows would've done a better job. We'd be the best team in the galaxy.

 

[Richard Arlison]

I remember debates this time last year when we had a week of League Cup and FA Cup fixtures. The idea was Ange needed to win one to survive.

We’d just beaten Liverpool in the home leg of the league cup. Bergvall goal from Solanke. I can’t imagine a performance like that game under Frank tbh.

The club may well be looking at Villa as the decider. Ange had Europa in his corner, not sure the same is true for Frank and CL tbh but I can understand the club giving him the FA Cup to hold onto

 

[Matt1882]

But Brentford have a better squad then us , thats the problem, said the people who kept telling us Brentford were only mid table as they didn't spend enough on the squad, and Frank alone was what had kept them in the league and imagine what happens when you give Frank our squad!!!!

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IMO, we're a building under restoration.
In August it was habitable but in need of serious work. Since then the tear out is well under way and we're currently living in a caravan in the garden.


The big question now is, are the builders actually capable of putting the building back together?

 

[Fattynomates]

IMO, we're a building under restoration.
In August it was habitable but in need of serious work. Since then the tear out is well under way and we're currently living in a caravan in the garden.


The big question now is, are the builders actually capable of putting the building back together?

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Forget about the builders, the Foreman is to busy building windmills to get the workers on site to build back better!

 

[Hulk]

These midfielders are not good enough, enough here being defined as being at the level of a top 5 or even a top 7-8 team. Some of Frank's eccentricities bring out the worst in them; but he hasn't turned a bunch of peak Dembeles and Modrics into players who do these:

You saw at the weekend how a 33 year old Xhaka was busting a gut to find himself openings right? Now look at the sharp contrast between that and this

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What happened there?

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Yeah I know, Bentancur in the second screenshot is looking at the opposite direction of Bergvall's ; just pointing out the passing opportunity that he missed by not scanning his environment properly.

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The same as above, although in this instance Frank's preference for direct play might also be coming into the picture considering how decisive and purposeful Palhinha appears to be with that long ball

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Can't shake off a defender, has to go back. If you think I'm being unreasonable by expecting him [and midfielders in general] to do better in such situations, see the next gif.

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See, it's not that difficult

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So, to recap, midfielders ;

• are not totally immune to butchering even the simplest of passes​
• are often showing little enthusiasm for making themselves available when defenders are searching for a forward pass in vain​
• very rarely manage to escape pressure through dribbling​
• sometimes fail to spot, let alone actually make, those aforementioned simple passes​

I could go on with even more footage; but don't see the point of boring you even more than I probably already have. You could try watching the next game of someone like Wharton, just an example whose game I'm more familiar with, to see yourself the magnitude of the contrast between proper midfield play and the stuff above.

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I watched the second half last night of those cunts and Liverpool and was thinking the entire time I haven't seen football like this for a very long time by us (in Liverpools case) Every time a midfielder came back for the ball they turned or slid away from their markers and faced forward and had multiple passing options every single time. People always moving for the ball and being smart with it without losing possession. Now Gravenbirch McAl Szob and co are all far superior footballers to what we have got but theres no way our guys cannot do this at least sometimes. Liverpool have been crap this season too yet they can play like this even when in a mess away at the leaders and completely dominate the game.

We need to get back to playing football this summer - whoever takes over they have to be a possession based attacking manager and if they don't work we must stick with this ethos which is the ethos of the fucking club.

PS Woolwich were pants as well - the way they approach big games is pathetic.

 

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So, to recap, midfielders ;

• are not totally immune to butchering even the simplest of passes​
• are often showing little enthusiasm for making themselves available when defenders are searching for a forward pass in vain​
• very rarely manage to escape pressure through dribbling​
• sometimes fail to spot, let alone actually make, those aforementioned simple passes​

I could go on with even more footage; but don't see the point of boring you even more than I probably already have. You could try watching the next game of someone like Wharton, just an example whose game I'm more familiar with, to see yourself the magnitude of the contrast between proper midfield play and the stuff above.

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It feels like two things, to me
1) Instructive: Clearly Frank isnt coaching players to make runs, move into certain areas, make themselves more available. His tactics are about being more direct to the RW. As well as this, Frank is ultra-cautious - and I think he is instilling fear of losing the ball into the players.

2)The Players: Hard to play well when the pressure is on, when your going to get shit for mistakes. I think they are wound up real tight and some are hiding a bit. I also at this point dont think they believe in what the manager is asking them to do, like theyre carrying out his instructions but not with they full committment, you know?

I think the players are in a bad place, and I think they are also in a bad system

And its hard for one alone to step up and start doing the better things, it has to be a team effort

He also didn't have the leagues 2nd top scorer last season in Tiago.

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They signed him from Brugge last year, 8 PL appearances and no goals

He had Wissa and MBuemo instead scoring about 40

EDIT: I see you meant Edwards

 

[Jaynola]

Inspiring...

View: https://x.com/TheSpursExpress/status/2009275909606387788

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When ze seagollz follow ze troller, it's because zey sink sardines will be fron into ze sea.

 

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I watched the second half last night of those cunts and Liverpool and was thinking the entire time I haven't seen football like this for a very long time by us (in Liverpools case) Every time a midfielder came back for the ball they turned or slid away from their markers and faced forward and had multiple passing options every single time. People always moving for the ball and being smart with it without losing possession. Now Gravenbirch McAl Szob and co are all far superior footballers to what we have got but theres no way our guys cannot do this at least sometimes. Liverpool have been crap this season too yet they can play like this even when in a mess away at the leaders and completely dominate the game.

We need to get back to playing football this summer - whoever takes over they have to be a possession based attacking manager and if they don't work we must stick with this ethos which is the ethos of the fucking club.

PS Woolwich were pants as well - the way they approach big games is pathetic.

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This is the thing for me.

A good passing team isnt really a team full of "good passers", its a team full of "good movers"

Thats really the main tennet of the whole positional play thing, certain areas on the pitch in relation to the ball need to be occupied

This means, whoever has the ball, has at least 2 basically simple options to pass to

Which means in practice players being coached to move and occupy spaces

I honestly dont think we do this coaching, at all, just watch the complete lack of options ALL our players have when on the ball

Anyway, if teams move well, they invariably pass well - and it doesnt take 11 Pirlos to make it happen

 

[Notabadsquad]

I hate his blabbering of '100 percent'. 100 percent we will lose games, 100 percent we want higher position in the table, 100 percent we will attack. Fucking nonsense. He's so fucking full of BS. And now he's implying our players are not attacking and not tough. Everything but him is the problem.

And wtf is the ex scum Vinai waiting for. Just fucking boot him out.

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Yep, we have another blabber mouth manager. Do your talking where it matters and stop with your fcuking soundbites

 

[Erni_COYS]

Actually this raises a good point.

I listen to View From The Lane, Fighting Cock and An Echo of Glory and every member of those pods are Frank out and in most cases have been that way for least a month.
Are there actually any journos that are still defending Frank and say he should get more time? I would be real interested in hearing anyone legitimately trying to defend him at this point

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Don't know about journos but you see some people saying "the players are shit", "there are no good options available", "the injuries of Solanke, Maddison and Kulusevski" and those sort of things. But I haven't seen anyone think Frank should stay because they genuinely believe he's the right guy and he's doing a good job. Apart from the lady Frank apparently met of course.