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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Kid Chameleon said:
Ange had the benefit of Son who was the biggest contributor of goals and assists last season. He also had Maddison, Kulusevski and Solanke.

We lost a club captain who was one of our most consistent and reliable players over a period of 10 years and replaced him with the club record signing of No One.

Is it not fair to assume that the loss of such a player with no replacement is going to have an impact on the team?
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Would be a good argument until you remember just who left in August of 2023...
 
Bill-bao Bob said:
Yet Romero is always linked to Real and VDV to Barca.

I'm not saying it's miles better mind. Just think it's better than we are showing. Most of our squad is underperforming.
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I think the club actually selling their players to the top clubs in world football trumps the one that is "linked" but ultimately is still keeping all of these frauds paid more than anyone else is offering
 
Jackcock said:
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Worse than Ange
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Ange had massive flaws and was ultimately a poor appointment, but a hill that I will die on is that I believe if he had been properly backed in his second summer window, if he had been given a proper number 6 and a couple of proper top class wingers/wide forwards, the mess that unfolded in the league last season would not have happened.

In the early part of 24/25 we were actually playing some excellent football. I particularly recall the NLD where we played Woolwich off the park and lost to a sucker punch goal from that prick Gabriel. The performance was absolutely light years away from the absolute muck we saw in this seasons NLD.
We played a lot of games in the early part of last season where we lost by 1 goal despite dominating the game and where if we had some competent attackers, we would have been 2/3 goals up by the time the opposition had scored.
But alas as the months went by and the injuries mounted, it all quickly fell apart and the rest is history.

We were bad last season, of that there is no doubt. But make no mistake, we are on a different stratosphere of levels of shit this season under Frank. The guy is so, so far out of his depth it’s actually painful to watch, and the mugs who put him there are so blind by their arrogance/ineptitude that I genuinely don’t see them getting rid of him.

It is honestly a crisis of the highest calibre, and I don’t see an end to it in sight.
 
BJK said:
I also hadn't known this stuff until very recently to be honest. I knew that Brentford under him weren't exactly bossing possession week in and week out, but how long / direct their passing actually was also wasn't apparent to me.

Only after seeing the way Keith Andrews has taken it to an extreme this season did I start searching for some past Brentford data, just to see if it would be possible for Frank to gradually evolve in a much more positive direction with better players. Because the highly plausible explanation of Andrews simply picking up where Frank left off was quite disturbing.

Well here we are..

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For comparison, here are some short passing data from Nuno's Wolves teams, the guy that Frank has been compared against the most:
  • 18 /19 : 15th in number of attempts & 10th in success rate
  • 19 /20 : 12th in number of attempts & 11th in success rate
  • 20 / 21 : 11th in number of attempts & 6th in success rate
I mean..

If Nuno failed here quite spectacularly and was also the Nth choice to begin with

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If Frank's Brentford teams were significantly worse at keeping the ball & passing it around then Nuno's Wolves teams..

Who not only brought TF here, but also did so by identifying him as a prime target?
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They say that Frank was the standout candidate, the only one that passed all of the metrics they had in place.

The ones that appointed Frank need sacking as well. His resume looked pretty shit and his results are backing that up.
 
TomHotspur said:
Ange had massive flaws and was ultimately a poor appointment, but a hill that I will die on is that I believe if he had been properly backed in his second summer window, if he had been given a proper number 6 and a couple of proper top class wingers/wide forwards, the mess that unfolded in the league last season would not have happened.
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I think Hojbjerg was a bigger loss than many people realise. He was an experienced midfielder that we were able to bring on to absorb pressing from the other team and hold on to results. It wasn't anything spectacular but it was enough to turn defeats into draws and draws into wins and it was ultimately the difference between finishing 5th and finishing 17th.

Archie Gray is a promising talent but he's a long way short of being an experienced midfielder. I understand why Hojbjerg had to leave but the club made a huge mistake in not replacing him with equivalent experience.
 
Bloodbath said:
They say that Frank was the standout candidate, the only one that passed all of the metrics they had in place.

The ones that appointed Frank need sacking as well. His resume looked pretty shit and his results are backing that up.
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Said this earlier, if that 10 point system is what hired him and he nailed them all, if you went with the worst candidate, they'd probably have been great. Useless twats.
 
TomHotspur said:
Ange had massive flaws and was ultimately a poor appointment, but a hill that I will die on is that I believe if he had been properly backed in his second summer window, if he had been given a proper number 6 and a couple of proper top class wingers/wide forwards, the mess that unfolded in the league last season would not have happened.

In the early part of 24/25 we were actually playing some excellent football. I particularly recall the NLD where we played Woolwich off the park and lost to a sucker punch goal from that prick Gabriel. The performance was absolutely light years away from the absolute muck we saw in this seasons NLD.
We played a lot of games in the early part of last season where we lost by 1 goal despite dominating the game and where if we had some competent attackers, we would have been 2/3 goals up by the time the opposition had scored.
But alas as the months went by and the injuries mounted, it all quickly fell apart and the rest is history.

We were bad last season, of that there is no doubt. But make no mistake, we are on a different stratosphere of levels of shit this season under Frank. The guy is so, so far out of his depth it’s actually painful to watch, and the mugs who put him there are so blind by their arrogance/ineptitude that I genuinely don’t see them getting rid of him.

It is honestly a crisis of the highest calibre, and I don’t see an end to it in sight.
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The hill you're on is 💯 correct.

Some of us warned that the real issue wasn't the manager but the lack of genuine quality in the squad. But there was a small but vicious and vocal group on here who bullied anyone who tried to support the manager into silence.

We now live in the smoking ruins of their colossal misjudgement. To the extent they tried - and continue to try - to diminish our joy in winning a European Trophy. Simply because they cared more about shitfights over managers than actual trophy success.

Hopefully the one good thing that comes from this utter binfire of a season is a) our owners wise the fuck up and b) those bullies and cowards who terrorised normal fans on here for simply supporting our manager learn some fucking humility, admit how catastrophically wrong they were, apologise for their bullying and become better people.

Then we can all heal and rally around a new era lead by Vuscovic and Simons and some new Poch like manager driving standards both on field and off field.

But I wouldn't hold my breath. These guys just want to see the world burn rather than admit they were wrong...
 
Papafeels said:
Results are immaterial. There is nothing positive at all a out Frank's time with us. Nothing. We're bad, but we're nowhere this bad. Players have no respect for him, fans gate him. It's over. It's only going to get worse of they don't act soon.
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I have zero faith that this administration will make the right call on a new manager - they will only make a Wicker Man sacrifice which, as you say, the fans are calling for.

But burning the manager won't solve our problems. Only the Club can do that by setting a new standard and driving towards it. That starts in this window - but not for this season, for the next one. We have to start forward planning...
 
Hampshire Spur said:
The bloke lost 3 nil to forest. And forest just lost to wrexham ffs. Frank has to go. Hes shit.
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Forest is a team we've had problems with for years. In the 96/97 season, they finished bottom and still managed to beat us home and away.

In that period between 94 and 97, we did not get a single win against them and were defeated 4-1 at home when they were a newly promoted team. They also managed to knock us out of the FA Cup on penalties in the following season.

There are problems with them going back to the 70s.
 
Kid Chameleon said:
Forest is a team we've had problems with for years. In the 96/97 season, they finished bottom and still managed to beat us home and away.

In that period between 94 and 97, we did not get a single win against them and were defeated 4-1 at home when they were a newly promoted team. They also managed to knock us out of the FA Cup on penalties in the following season.

There are problems with them going back to the 70s.
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But we won when it counted in 91
 
thinktank said:
Come on, he's confirming what happens when oppo player moves from a-b and his response to it, or whatever.

So tired of the bullshit.

If Frank gets sacked he gets sacked, but can we cut out the nonsense.

It's not even necessary. lol
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Porro did it too. I think maybe frank is trying to be too clever? Whatever, I just don’t think the players trust him or are buying into his ethos.
 
TomHotspur said:
Ange had massive flaws and was ultimately a poor appointment, but a hill that I will die on is that I believe if he had been properly backed in his second summer window, if he had been given a proper number 6 and a couple of proper top class wingers/wide forwards, the mess that unfolded in the league last season would not have happened.

In the early part of 24/25 we were actually playing some excellent football. I particularly recall the NLD where we played Woolwich off the park and lost to a sucker punch goal from that prick Gabriel. The performance was absolutely light years away from the absolute muck we saw in this seasons NLD.
We played a lot of games in the early part of last season where we lost by 1 goal despite dominating the game and where if we had some competent attackers, we would have been 2/3 goals up by the time the opposition had scored.
But alas as the months went by and the injuries mounted, it all quickly fell apart and the rest is history.

We were bad last season, of that there is no doubt. But make no mistake, we are on a different stratosphere of levels of shit this season under Frank. The guy is so, so far out of his depth it’s actually painful to watch, and the mugs who put him there are so blind by their arrogance/ineptitude that I genuinely don’t see them getting rid of him.

It is honestly a crisis of the highest calibre, and I don’t see an end to it in sight.
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Give this man the floor
 
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