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Manager Thomas Frank

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Furball man said:
I didn’t watch it but I heard that during a corner we had Villa had 3 players on the halfway line & Frank got 3 players to mark them . Is that right ?

He seems to be a manager who prioritises worrying about what teams can do to us rather than what we can do to them . Maybe that’s the trust he has in the squad 🤷‍♂️
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Yep
Thought it was smart by Emery, considering we are strong on set pieces
 
Go on son said:
Its the sitting back when 1 down that boiled my piss. Seen in the second half if we went for them they were poor
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I agree. Sadly, this wasn't a one-off. It's a repetition of safety-first football that's up there with the most boring Spurs side in recent memory. I do not dislike the man and try to never make it personal. However, I have seen enough to know that we are spent with him.
 
TomHotspur said:
Ange had massive flaws and was ultimately a poor appointment, but a hill that I will die on is that I believe if he had been properly backed in his second summer window, if he had been given a proper number 6 and a couple of proper top class wingers/wide forwards, the mess that unfolded in the league last season would not have happened.

In the early part of 24/25 we were actually playing some excellent football. I particularly recall the NLD where we played Woolwich off the park and lost to a sucker punch goal from that prick Gabriel. The performance was absolutely light years away from the absolute muck we saw in this seasons NLD.
We played a lot of games in the early part of last season where we lost by 1 goal despite dominating the game and where if we had some competent attackers, we would have been 2/3 goals up by the time the opposition had scored.
But alas as the months went by and the injuries mounted, it all quickly fell apart and the rest is history.

We were bad last season, of that there is no doubt. But make no mistake, we are on a different stratosphere of levels of shit this season under Frank. The guy is so, so far out of his depth it’s actually painful to watch, and the mugs who put him there are so blind by their arrogance/ineptitude that I genuinely don’t see them getting rid of him.

It is honestly a crisis of the highest calibre, and I don’t see an end to it in sight.
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Good post this is.

You're right about the Woolwich game last season as well, we played a lot better...I was at the game.
 
I feel like this is probably the end for Frank.
Part of me wondered on Wednesday night this is the sort of gig Redknapp would do until the end of the season.
"Just run abhaaat a bit"

What is will say, however, is that 2nd half yesterday was among the best I've seen from Spurs in a long time.
We just lacked anyone up top to finish things. We went blood and thunder all over the pitch, got the ball into and around their box over and over and then it fizzled.
I'm very disappointed with Muani. This is a guy who was courted by all the big European clubs. A full international. He looks lost at this level to me.
Considering he's not a little bloke, he looks a bit soft to me.

But with all that said. The first half yesterday was fucking criminal.
 
Furball man said:
I didn’t watch it but I heard that during a corner we had Villa had 3 players on the halfway line & Frank got 3 players to mark them . Is that right ?

He seems to be a manager who prioritises worrying about what teams can do to us rather than what we can do to them . Maybe that’s the trust he has in the squad 🤷‍♂️
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For Spurs corner, Villa put three on the halfway line, one on each wing and one on the centre spot and it was VICARIO who called the players back. Not Frank.

If you were a keeper or Frank what would you do?

Our normal attacking corner positions are a full back like Porro, Spence or a small guy like Odabert covering defence in case of a loose ball or clearance up the pitch. There is typically no outlet player up the pitch for the defending team.
 
Come on let's get Xavi Hernandez......instant respect from the players, he will transform our style of play, fans will begin to have some hope, he will have the rest of the season to identify the players he needs to move forward next season.

Imagine if Xavi Hernandez calls to convince you to join the club. Total legend respected all over the world
 
The weird thing is we were by far the better team in the second half and could have easily won it. All we did was take the breaks off our attacker particularly Xavi and play with balls. Yes we were terrible in the first half but this isn’t a game you sack over considering the opposition and how we played overall.

The question remains though is will Frank learn any lessons from this. Xavi, Tel and Odobert clearly work best as ballers with freedom to move and interplay. They are not good for a defensive system that relies on not conceding and scoring from set pieces.

Frank has basically been given a clear way to play with our players. Play them Harry Redknapp style and allow our creative players more freedom and stop being cowards.
 
Bloodbath said:
They say that Frank was the standout candidate, the only one that passed all of the metrics they had in place.

The ones that appointed Frank need sacking as well. His resume looked pretty shit and his results are backing that up.
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What were the metrics though?

1- Is he available?

2 - Does he want to come to Spurs?

3 - Will he kick off if he doesn't get the players we promise him?

4 - Is he a yes man?

The metrics must have been shite if the answer to the question was Thomas Frank -
and I'm not even in the Frank out group just yet!


The second half display is the sort of thing that gives me hope that it can be turned around with him.

He's not had Solanke, Maddison, Kulusevski and we sold Son - that's a spine ripped out so we're starting from scratch.


The second half we played was great football
 
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While I do think the squad clearly needs upgrades the way Frank has been playing clearly doesn’t fit them.

Xavi Simons was one of Europe’s most promising attacking midfielders, Muani was a 90m buy for PSG, Tel and Odobert are U21 French internationals. This is not a City, Woolwich or Liverpool attack but give them to Bournemouth or Fulham and they would be doing much better.

As a club we are terrible at aligning players with managers. Frank needs an Woolwich or Everton bully boy team, Rice or Onana or Havertz, Saka, lots of muscle. And we have a bunch of quick slender not fully grown attackers. It’s not a match.

It’s not just improving the quality of the squad it’s aligning the players to the manager but we switch managers from one style to the next without thinking about the consequences for the players.

Tel, Odobert, Xavi, Mauni look perfect for Pochettino or for a manager of that type. Frank needs older more disciplined players to play his Jose style of football. So that means any transfer window we need to buy a different type of player. It’s all square pegs round holes.

Last night showed that for Frank to get the best out of them he basically has to give up on his style of play and take the breaks off.
 
Shelf530 said:
For Spurs corner, Villa put three on the halfway line, one on each wing and one on the centre spot and it was VICARIO who called the players back. Not Frank.

If you were a keeper or Frank what would you do?

Our normal attacking corner positions are a full back like Porro, Spence or a small guy like Odabert covering defence in case of a loose ball or clearance up the pitch. There is typically no outlet player up the pitch for the defending team.
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Ridiculous to say anyone would allow a planned 3-on-1 counter to be open from a corner.

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t on that one.

(Could be an interesting tactic going forward against the set-piece specialists teams).
 
Tomo said:
The weird thing is we were by far the better team in the second half and could have easily won it. All we did was take the breaks off our attacker particularly Xavi and play with balls. Yes we were terrible in the first half but this isn’t a game you sack over considering the opposition and how we played overall.

The question remains though is will Frank learn any lessons from this. Xavi, Tel and Odobert clearly work best as ballers with freedom to move and interplay. They are not good for a defensive system that relies on not conceding and scoring from set pieces.

Frank has basically been given a clear way to play with our players. Play them Harry Redknapp style and allow our creative players more freedom and stop being cowards.
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If we needed one, this should be the nail in the coffin, yes. We did not play good overall, we had a twenty minutes spell where we saw what is the actual potential of this group of players. And was it even on Frank, or was it the players who took some pride and let go? Because what we saw was, at this time, a pleasant return to chaos-ball.

The way we are set up to play hinders us, and we are a lot less then the sum of it parts. Stop it.
 
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