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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Timberwolf said:
Think the Frank and Nuno appointments have killed stone dead the idea that we ever need manager with "proven PL experience".

It means absolutely nothing if the size of club and expectations are poles apart yet I suspect it was one of the main reasons Frank got the job.
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Interesting point.

I think in our current situation, Premier League experience would help us. Pretty sure on that.

Past that, yes.

We need to source a manager who has the character (big C), and who is unlikely to be overwhelmed and daunted by the task and the challenge, which are sizeable

It's also got to be someone who has authority (big A).
 
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Notabadsquad said:
Intersting point.

I think in our current situation, Premier League experience would help us. Pretty sure on that.

Past that, yes.

We need to source a mamager who has the character (big C), and who is unlikely to be overwhelmed by the task and the challenge, which are sizeable

It's also got to be someone who has authority (big A).
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Yeah been mulling over it today and I still don't think PL experience is a must have in our current situation - there are a fair few examples of foreign managers with no Prem experience coming in and saving teams from relegation/turning around their form overnight.

However I do think we need a really strong personality and good man manager. Not some tactician or technocrat - a proper inspiring personality that the players will instantly respect and get behind. And ideally someone who's ideas aren't super complex and can easily be instilled unlike some Amorim type who needs the perfect players for his system.
 
Timberwolf said:
Yeah been mulling over it today and I still don't think PL experience is a must have in our current situation - there are a fair few examples of foreign managers with no Prem experience coming in and saving teams from relegation/turning around their form overnight.

However I do think we need a really strong personality and good man manager. Not some tactician or technocrat - a proper inspiring personality that the players will instantly respect and get behind. And ideally someone who's ideas aren't super complex and can easily be instilled unlike some Amorim type who needs the perfect players for his system.
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I found Amorim arrogant but think he wouldn't be bad at all. (Not advocating him by the way), but do think he will get a big job again.

We just need to get it right and hope the board seek the right type of man.
 
Phomesy said:
Why don't you try watching it instead of mouthing off?

He said nothing controversial at all - unless you have your snout up Enic's arsehole and like being told we're competing for Top 4 when we refuse to pay Top 4 wages.

Fuck me the hypocrisy. We are literally actually in a relegation battle now and you guys won't accept reality.
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"literally actually" were you sober when you typed this crock of shite?

Sounds like you'd take him back.

Ho-Hum another narrow minded view that if you are against an idiot of a manager then you must be pro-ENIC.
 
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postbox said:
Adam Clery is quality

Got this one wrong, and holds his hands up to it as well
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On paper he was a good fit so you could see why the tacticos and those sorts picked him out however it seems like everyone forgot about the nuances of managing a big club with big expectations and big personalities...same thing happened with Potter at Chelsea I guess.

I don't think Frank is a bad coach at all, he just doesn't fit a big club, more often than not it's about the actual fit more than how they coach.
 
postbox said:
As much as I agree fit is key

I actually do think Frank is a bad coach
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I don't think you can coach and manage a team in the best league in the world and be called a 'bad coach' because that clearly shows you know what you're doing.

I actually think surroundings and circumstance play a massive part in whether a coach will succeed or not, coaching skill does come into it though and knowing how to get the best out of players and having the ability to manage the players and those above them.

I just think some managers aren't just cut out for certain roles.
 
He couldn't even get us doing the basics well at all

Couldn't get a shape that got the players

Couldn't coach any effective way to attack

Or defend really

What would you call that of not a bad coach? It goes beyond fit
 
postbox said:
He couldn't even get us doing the basics well at all

Couldn't get a shape that got the players

Couldn't coach any effective way to attack

Or defend really

What would you call that of not a bad coach? It goes beyond fit
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Because players weren't reacting to him, pretty difficult to implement any kind of style if players don't respect you or believe in it.

Brentford players brought into it because they all respected him, his football scaled as a result.
 
postbox said:
Well I think it's proven his football doesn't scale

And getting the players inside is part of being a coach, which he failed
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It literally worked at Brentford… so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make? You’re basically arguing against what we’ve already seen play out? :confused:

He couldn’t get this group onside because the expectations are completely different at a bigger club. At Brentford, he had full buy-in... smaller club, different pressure, different standards. That environment suited him. This one clearly doesn’t - There isn't much else to it, it was the same with Potter going from Brighton to Chelsea, Nuno from Wolves to Tottenham, Moyes from Everton to Utd etc...

It happens.
 
postbox said:
Well I think it's proven his football doesn't scale

And getting the players inside is part of being a coach, which he failed
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Pal, they wanted to keep their Daddy Ange from the start. Unless we'd brought in a Klopp or Luis Enrique, it was fucked from the off. Between the board and the players, Frank was a double amputee from day one.

Was he the wrong fit and did he make mistakes? Sure.

But let's not act like it's all on him.
 
It didn't scale from Brentford to here

In fact what he was able to produce here was decidedly worse

And in the meantime Brentford are doing better without him

So is he even a decent coach?
 
postbox said:
It didn't scale from Brentford to here

In fact what he was able to produce here was decidedly worse

And in the meantime Brentford are doing better without him

So is he even a decent coach?
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Are you actually reading and comprehending my posts? My last 3 posts I've literally explained why he didn't scale from Brentford to Spurs, what are we doing here? :D

Now actually this is an interesting point about Brentford, the environment over there is obviously very healthy but I don't suddenly think that Keith Andrew is a better coach than Frank - I think both coaches are benefitting from the environment of the club and the good work by the board over there - I still think you need relative coaching skill to work in the Premier League and manage players at the top level - IMO you can't be a bad coach if that's the case.
 
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