The fact that a group of fans think they have any sway over a multi billion pound investment group is laughable
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Another thing £200m summer spend is clearly bullshit but obviously includes the Romero money. Then they say they've spent £47m in January which includes the Porro deal. That is currently a £5m loan. No doubt that will be included in the summer spend as well. Its just smoke and mirrors whilst managing to be patronising and arrogant.
Join the Trust stand for election and then you can sort it all out. Stop whinning and start doing.
My god what an arrogant, sniffy, out of touch response. Just like their super league non apology. They really do seem to think they are beyond reproach and think the club is their own personal fiefdom. Clearly we all need to shut up and be grateful for their mere presence.
The idea behind the Trust is sound. But the desperate and growing need to be popular ( in my view ) stunted any influence the Trust were building.
They got too close to the Football Supports Federation ( I think that’s what they were / are called ) and ceased to push “Tottenham” centric issues in favour of wider football initiatives.
In reality they needed to sort out Tottenham first before getting mixed up in the wider football debates.
Then they went political on top ! Two examples I can think of. First being their backing of vaccine passports for football matches ( not their job and if it were they had an obligation to defend both sides, not support segregation on policies that were not scientifically sound )
And then their was that tone death rubbish about the bin dippers, which fatally exposed how utterly corrupted their objectives had become. They were not there to defend Liverpool !
I personally would contribute £ to a revised Thrust that put Tottenham and our fans first and also, necessarily, found some significant financial backing, as I feel that without that nothing will cut through.
They got too close to the Football Supports Federation ( I think that’s what they were / are called ) and ceased to push “Tottenham” centric issues in favour of wider football initiatives.
In reality they needed to sort out Tottenham first before getting mixed up in the wider football debates.
Then they went political on top ! Two examples I can think of. First being their backing of vaccine passports for football matches ( not their job and if it were they had an obligation to defend both sides, not support segregation on policies that were not scientifically sound )
And then their was that tone death rubbish about the bin dippers, which fatally exposed how utterly corrupted their objectives had become. They were not there to defend Liverpool !
I personally would contribute £ to a revised Thrust that put Tottenham and our fans first and also, necessarily, found some significant financial backing, as I feel that without that nothing will cut through.
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Aka spinning. Glad we agree.
Anyone can see it is misleading and what the intention behind the words are. It’s a puff piece, not a genuine response to the fans.
Very sad to see some of our supporters buy in to it and continue to vehemently defend the club even whilst the owners spit in their faces.
Thats not the point. They are using that £47m figure now under committed to look like we're keeping up. They will then use the Porro £40m again as actual spend in the summer. Just like saying we committed the £45m on Romero summer 2021 and then included it in the summer 2022 spend figure. I expected nothing different from them and thats the problem. Its the same tin eared, arrogant way they dealt with the super league debacle.
This mob that appointed Mourinho, a placeholder in Nuno and Conte on an 18 month contract actually mention the perils of short termism in the statement. More brass neck than C3PO.
They're a bunch of useless wankers who are an embarassment. They don't serve any purpose and like most people who involve themselves in this type of organization it's more about feeding their own fragile ego's rather than trying to actually change anything.
Most of these half-wits have delusions of grandeur and this little fantasy gives them a sense of importance they don't get from their mundane ordinary lives as accountants or social workers or whatever tedious job they actually do for a living.
Most of these half-wits have delusions of grandeur and this little fantasy gives them a sense of importance they don't get from their mundane ordinary lives as accountants or social workers or whatever tedious job they actually do for a living.
I don’t know why you’re shilling for this spin so hard. We all know what they’re doing.
I have zero issues with the Porro deal. Hopefully he’s an awesome signing.
But the ‘commitment to spend’ phrase is a sleight of hand to position the transfer as significant January investment, when in fiscal reality, it will get booked in the Summer.
It’s just big standard corporate spin.
Did the money spent include the almost £90m we’ve had to give to managers for sacking them ?
I’m neither ENIC in or out but these kind of derisory responses certainly move me towards the latter. Ultimately as a season ticket holder I’m bored and I just want to enjoy going again. I’d love to win something but even more I want to feel a connection with my club again, care about the players and enjoy seeing them develop. Can we have BMJ back please?
I’m sure there was something about hot dogs at the stadium
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Secured relaxation in bag policies at both Wembley stadium and Tottenham Hotspur stadium from A5 to A4 size and permission to bring laptops and fold up umbrellas into both venues. Pushed for Spurs to provide a bag drop on match days. Secured relaxation in bag policy at Woolwich, Chelsea and Leeds Untied during the 2021/22 season. Lobbied for and worked with THFC to develop a transparent sanctions and banning policy in 2020. Represented in excess of 500 fans in individual cases of ticketing, stewarding, behavioural offences, often successfully appealing sanctions. Provided on the spot advice and representation when Spurs fans have been attacked by police, stewards or fans at games in Germany, Italy, France and Spain. Provided detailed evidence to UEFA following the assault on our fans by police and security staff at Barcelona in December 2018, which resulted in the first charge ever against a Club for mistreatment of fans. 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I mean, it should be surprising that the public communications of the club are that poor.
It's very very difficult for a club to be a true, sincere vessel for their supporters' passion. But it's trivially easy to fake it, and ENIC don't even seem capable of faking it.
The closer you get to the inner sanctum of the club, the more every surface is coated with utter contempt for the fans, the industry, really the game itself. Just a toxic, toxic outlook.
'We should be mindful, however, of the implications of the changes to the governance of the game which will compel greater sustainability and financial fair play (FFP). Major changes have been introduced in Europe around FFP regulations, including the newly launched UEFA financial sustainability rules, the full impact of which will be felt from season 2025/26. They are based on three pillars: solvency, stability and cost control and clubs will have three seasons to adjust to them. Many expect that these new rules will be a game changer for the sport. We should also allow for the possibility of even tighter regulations.'
It's amazing that they get away with this. It's not even intelligent spin. Someone took 10 minutes in their lunch break to write this. Every informed fan of the club knows we're miles away from FFP remotely being a factor. Even clubs where FFP is a factor (i.e Chelsea) know it's a load of ineffective rubbish and they can very easily circumvent it.
They're not remotely concerned about FFP, either now or in the future. We will always be absolutely miles away from ever being impacted by it. Stop lying to our fanbase and be honest about what you plan to do and why you're doing it.
It's amazing that they get away with this. It's not even intelligent spin. Someone took 10 minutes in their lunch break to write this. Every informed fan of the club knows we're miles away from FFP remotely being a factor. Even clubs where FFP is a factor (i.e Chelsea) know it's a load of ineffective rubbish and they can very easily circumvent it.
They're not remotely concerned about FFP, either now or in the future. We will always be absolutely miles away from ever being impacted by it. Stop lying to our fanbase and be honest about what you plan to do and why you're doing it.