Fair enough.
But must admit, I am a bit tired of the tribalism these days. Very tedious.
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Match Tottenham Hotspur vs Millwall FA CUP
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Fair enough.
But must admit, I am a bit tired of the tribalism these days. Very tedious.
You obviously weren't there! A whole variety of 'feelings' that day.
Agree withTottenham Sean - will never happen. Their younger heads might see Spurs as their main rival but for their top table it is always Millwall.
Our animosity towards Wet Spam runs deep, a rivalry that dates back to when we played on the Isle of Dogs. In more recent times it has been well documented with the cup game in 2009 being high profile. What pisses off a lot of Wall supporters is the why they appear to get preferential treatment from the FA and the authorities, that cup game, three pitch invasions during the game, they got a silly fine as we did for not going on the pitch. They attack the team coach of Man Utd on their last game and nothing is done, if either of these occurred at the Den, people would be calling for closure. Wasn’t Tevez an illegal signing? And then the stadium…….don’t even need to talk about that.
Very unlikely that they would join up for Sunday.
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As for west ham.... as you say, a gang on them set upon a bloke with his sons and stabbed him. Not sure they would be very welcome!![/QUOTE]
I use to work with the Brother in law of the fella that got stabbed.Wasn't it a case of West ham stewards sending him and his family down a road with some of theirs down?
As for west ham.... as you say, a gang on them set upon a bloke with his sons and stabbed him. Not sure they would be very welcome!![/QUOTE]
I use to work with the Brother in law of the fella that got stabbed.Wasn't it a case of West ham stewards sending him and his family down a road with some of theirs down?
That rings a bell.
I was, and funny enough with a Spurs supporting mate. Had to wait ages to meet up with him after.
I tend to dislike clubs based on the games - cannot stand poxy Wigan. They have ruined a League Trophy Final, Play-Off game and FA Cup Semi-Final for us.
Yet, I quite like Wolverhampton Wanderers, despite being set upon there in the subway.
I meant it is not like we have had any influence on Spurs' footballing history! Unless a miracle happens on Sunday! :eriksenlol:
Good post.
I watched a video years ago about the history of Millwall,as you said very interesting and would surprise a few people.
Do you think you lost a lot of fans when people from the east end stopped following you?
I remember even up to the early 80s you still had a fair few from the isle of dogs, silvertown ,poplar .You don't get them anymore, not that i'm aware anyway.
EDIT.
I find most football clubs history's interesting as it goes.With the exception of Chelsea,who's history is incredibly boring.
Its part of football as far as Im concerned....otherwise we're all just a bunch of happy clappers applauding the opposition when they score.
I like a tense, hostile atmosphere, and I like the anger and hatred when we play Woolwich and Chelsea.
I draw the line at kicking off over it, but its the one outlet in life (mine at least) where I dont have to be rational and sensible. I can be a twat, a hypocrite and scream things Id never dream of doing in "real life".
When the highs come, the lows go out the window.
Euphoria is nothing without blind passion, and for me blind passion comes with a dislike for anything that dislikes Spurs. On matchday, that could be any team, but some teams I just dislike regardless.
Can anyone comfirm this? A few of us just wanted to have a quality 9am breakfast at the No.8
ochsulk:Hull City was a 'flag' day. It was a FA Cup 4th Round game involving a PL club, so a lot of the nationals picked up on it, especially as it was the same season as the West Ham trouble.
Millwall took 2,284 that day, including many of the 'serious' hooligans. Yes, it did get nasty. But again, no more so than the match the other night between Wolves & Birmingham City.
I don't want to sound like an apologists for the hooligans. However, I am an apologist for the club.
If Burnley played with a couple of miles of Fleet Street (and now Canary Wharf), instead miles away, it would be they with this 'scum of football' reputation, as they have been just as active as us over the years. Same with Cardiff City or Swansea City.
And while they have reputations, it is Millwall's location that has really cemented our place as number one trouble club. You may even bring up events like the Luton riot, yet that very year there was a death at a match between Birmingham City & Leeds United. At the actual match. But, because our game was beamed around the country it is us that people remember.
Success plays a part too. Or lack of. West Ham have every bit as 'interesting; hooligan past and present as us...yet, have a 'cheeky cockney' persona. The reason? A lot of reporters etc are West Ham fans. Many attracted to the club because of their 'sexy' sides of the 60s, 70s and 80s. The academy & all that nonsense.
Take Manchester United too. Their fans were a disgrace in Barcelona. On the rampage. However, they did win the most dramatic ever CL final, so that kinda stole the headlines.
Im poking fun at the Millwall supporters who come on here, its for their benefit.
Sorry I dont buy the line that you get bad press because you are located near Fleet Street?
I accept that you defend your club, but you are still comparing it kicking off between Zulus and Yam Yams, a local and historical fixture of violance with 2000 odd hardcore Millwall hooligans trashing Hull for no reason.
The main point is, how many aggressive pitch invasions were there in the FA Cup the other week?
Its not just bad press is it
You describe the hostility we created at our home game to Leicester, who I've got nothing against other than they have those stupid clappy things at their home games.
Their young left back refused to take throw ins after his first two, said his hands hurt, this was reported in the press by our center forward. The noise levels were elevated further in the second half when we went down to ten men and seemed to increase the longer the game went on, the players responded.
Lots of clubs create noise or have songs that most fans join in with, this is different to hostility. Leicester made an official complaint about the abuse their team and fans received from moment they arrived until they left, Millwall responded by selling tickets for a tenner for the Tuesday night game as a thank you to the fans.
All of this (not physical violence) seems fair game to me, as a supporter make something that might make a difference to whats happening on the pitch.
I know this is a Spurs forum and a Spurs-Millwall thread, below is taken at face value as true, it is from the driver of the car for the match officials for our home play off game against Huddersfield and is about atmosphere.
< The Ref was very nervous when I got to the hotel to pick up the officials, none of em said a lot on the way in which is unusual. When we got to the ground he asked me "you will be outside when we come out won't you" I just laughed and promised him I would be.
Fuck me, when they came out after the game he was like a dog with 2 dicks, talk about excited! "steve that was fucking fantastic, I've never heard noise like it, I couldn't hear my own whistle!!
Then one of Lino's piped up, "how can 15/16000 people make that much noise?"
The journey back was a bit noisier, all recounting various things about the game and all 4 of em making phone calls to different people, and all more or less starting the call with "you should have heard it">
this is spot on, used to amaze me how many of them there are.
they even have their own national radio station.
I couldn't agree more.
No, it's not just bad press. But the fact that Millwall ARE the bogeyman when it comes to football is.
I lived next to Bramall Lane for a few years and there was trouble most weeks. Quite serious for the visits of the likes of Cardiff City, Birmingham City, Bristol City and us. None of those are local or historical either. Yet, there was never anything about it in the national media.
Millwall has always been a rough & ready club, due to it being a docklands team. However, it was unlucky that when football hooliganism started becoming 'interesting' news it was the closest football ground to Fleet Street. It was an easy place to go to get an easy story.
And whereas the likes of Chelsea, Manchester United and West Ham were every bit as dodgy, at least they had good football sides to talk about too.
When the BBC decided to do an investigative piece on football violence they chose Millwall. It was a tad easier to reach than Burnley, and also generated good copy - an unfashionable club in a rough part of London. Manchester United, West Ham & Chelsea were too fashionable & probably had too many fans in the media to really go after.
That documentary then really set Millwall up as the hooligan club. We had nutters, so if you are a nutter from somewhere else, why not go and prove yourself against Millwall. Or if you are a nutter from SE London why not get down Millwall.The club has suffered ever since.
Furthermore, the club has never had any sustained success. So, why the likes of Chelsea, West Ham and even Birmingham City have seen their support diluted with new, middle-class families etc. Millwall never has.
If you are a middle-class family looking for a family experience from SE London you are going to go to Charlton or Palace. Or pay a bit more and go to Chelsea or Woolwich etc. Not The Den.
Our fanbase is almost like a relic. It is still mostly white, working class men. I would say our fanbase is closer to a northern club like Huddersfield than a club like Palace just 6 miles away in terms of demographic. In fact even those northern clubs have attracted more family support. Back in 1992, just before the PL, Millwall averaged around 11,000, the likes of Derby and Leicester around 15,000. Their gates shot up massively in the post Sky era - mostly families and new fans. Millwall still average 8-12,000. The same old scaffolders, binmen etc.
We have hardly been diluted at all.
Having said that, that pitch invasion v Leicester was not that aggressive. About 100 fans out 18,500 went directly over and gave them the wanker sign etc. Leicester fans threw some objects. Those Millwall fans returned them.
That scene would happen at most big city cubs in the same circumstances.
That is what I am saying. Millwall do have a hooligan element. But I refuse to accept it is bigger or more active than any other big city club. It just gets more media coverage for historical and geographic reasons than any other club now.
That is why we sing no one likes us... It is not aimed at opposition fans. It is a protest song at the media and FA.
Since the 2015 League Cup final.
But I agree, there's no need to play a weakened side - they'll have a week until Southampton.
I like it at the actual match. I just find all the online stuff tedious. Not aimed at you or this forum btw. Just in general.