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You're arguing the toss now BC. I'll have you know I put sammyspurs in a rear naked choke last night and made him bitch-tap out. So if you want some come get some.But that’s not advocating they swap, just suggesting Winks would be better in a more 8 type role than the 6/4 type remit he’s been operating in isn’t it?
And I don’t think it’s suggesting “instead” of NDombele either - unless I’m wrong (@Airfix)
I'll stop using the correct descriptive stats when you stop using the incorrect descriptive words. Saying Winks doesn't pass forward is just not true. Saying he doesn't pass very incisively is different, and would be fair, I've said it myself, numerous times. But they are very different things, that can also be the same thing.
Ndombele is the first proper midfielder Ive watched in a spurs shirt since Modric who is capable of truly incisive passing consistently. In fact he's got even more vision than Modric. He's a pretty rare animal. But he lacks Modric's energy and industry (just as lacks Winks's)
Who are all these central midfielders that are constantly breaking lines and threading through balls?
Isn't that why we've just paid 58m for a player who can do that but struggles to run around as well ?
It's a bit like the whole Trippier debate. I never said Trippier was a world class RB, but when you look around there are very few about, and he was pretty competent. Everyone was saying "we can do better" but virtually none of them could actually name who we should do better with except unproven kids they'd rarely seen.
There is absolutely no comparison, Winks just is never going to be this clever with his passing as Ndombele. But his passing is quicker, more frequent and more conducive to transition than someone like Mousa Dembele, who many idolised. And it's quicker, more frequent and more useful than the likes of Sissoko's and Dier's. And as a team that has a possession biased ethos, that's more useful, especially when there's not much defensive gain with either of those either.
See, this is the bit I take exception to. Who are all these incisive passers you are judging Winks against? We've just paid a lot of money to get one here, and even he's flawed.
And I think suggesting Winks never makes simple forward passes that are good passes is bogus. He does. And he does more than most we've seen clunking about our midfield in the last 4/5 years.
And here's the odd thing. You're saying he's shit but has a future. I'm saying he's not, but I don't really think he does - not in my "ideal Spurs first 11" anyway. He's not a 6, and I would want better 8's in an ideal world, ones that are more incisive.
Glad the away fans had such a nice time watching their team get battered. Such a change to the videos you see of our stewards bullying our own fans......Following the Champions League home game against Red Star Belgrade on Tuesday evening, we’ve had lots of questions asking about the presence of away fans in the ground. Representatives of the Trust...www.thstofficial.com
Following the Champions League home game against Red Star Belgrade on Tuesday evening, we’ve had lots of questions asking about the presence of away fans in the ground. Representatives of the Trust were in touch with Club officials during the match and have followed up subsequently. We think it’s helpful to set the information we’ve been given out clearly to both Trust members and the wider Spurs fan base.
Once it was announced by UEFA that general admission Red Star Belgrade fans were banned from attending the match at the Tottenham Hotspur stadium as part of a punishment for racism, it was clear some would try to gain entry. Football fans try hard to watch their team and Red Star fans are no exception. As usual, lots of rumours circulated on social media. We passed on any posts indicating there would be Red Star fans in home areas to the Club and ensured the Safety team were prepared. We were told any away fans identified at the podium entrances or at the turnstiles would be denied access to the stadium and that any identified inside the stadium would be ejected.
We asked the Club to emphasise that UEFA rules require roughly 200 Category 1 tickets to be made available to the visiting club, which would mean some away fans would be in home areas, normally in the West Upper. This allocation is designed for club officials, players and staff, principally. The Club made this clear in pre-match communications to match attenders.
The Club had sold general admission tickets for this game under restricted sale, with only Season Ticket Holders and One Hotspur members eligible to purchase and with a cut-off date for new memberships. Their sales policy was fully compliant with UEFA requirements.
On the night, it soon became clear that a number of Red Star fans had obtained tickets for the match. The Club is investigating the source of those tickets and has stated that Season Ticket holders and One Hotspur members traced as those sources will face the strongest possible sanctions. The Club and Police refused entry to any fans obviously supporting Red Star at the stadium entrances.
A number of Red Star fans managed to gain entry to the ground. In what appeared to be a coordinated move, the majority of those fans made their way to the back of the upper tier in the north stand. This was an empty area as the tickets for this match had not sold out, and the backs of upper tiers are normally the last to sell. It should be noted that Red Star fans are extremely organised, experienced and have done this before in other stadia.
As pockets of Red Star fans were identified in other areas of the stadium, a decision was made to move those to the North Upper. In that area, Red Star fans could be contained by stewards and the Police, as opposed to being ejected onto the street or remaining scattered across the home support. Spurs fans seated in that section of the North Upper were moved into vacant seats close by under steward supervision and an area with impromptu segregation was created.
A decision was made in the Control Room to focus efforts on containing the Red Star fans peacefully as opposed to focusing on trying to enforce seating. This resulted in away fans standing throughout the match. It was a decision supported by the local authority representatives in response to unfolding events.
At half time, Red Star fans entering the Level 5 concourse area had their tickets confiscated and were ejected by the Police. Those who remained in the stand were held back at the end of the game, taken out via a separate staircase and handed over to the Police.
In the circumstances, it seems that the Club handled a fast-moving situation well and there were no flashpoints or incidents of violence whatsoever. Decisions were made in real time to contain Red Star fans while minimising the risk of wider disorder.
We support the Club’s commitment to identify Spurs fans responsible for passing on their tickets and we have also asked for clarification of next steps from UEFA.
We can understand the feelings of those Spurs fans who were moved or were close to the Red Star fans in the North Upper tier. And we appreciate how frustrating it is when it appears that away fans are treated differently, particularly in European ties when our travelling supporters regularly experience poor treatment. However, we’re satisfied THFC responded well to a difficult situation on the night, as did our supporters.
With a lot of conversation circulating about during and after the match, we hope this clarifies what happened and why.
Levy needs to get on a sponsorship deal for VAR at NWHL...The end-game of VAR is to legitimise American-style NFL/ice hockey advertisement breaks during the game. The longer the delay, the more the TV viewing public needs “something else” to look at....