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Match TSG 1899 Hoffenheim v Tottenham Hotspur | Thursday 23rd January | Rhein-Neckar Arena | 17:45

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Kaz Hirai said:
to be, "dead on your feet" is a English phrase, idiom - a phrase or expression that has a figurative meaning that is different from the literal meaning of the words it contains

Webster's Dictionary defines it as " Very Tired, or exhausted" - hence in normal English I said our players look extremely tired.

not so hyperbolic

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Pedantic bullshit I know the idiom yet I don't agree with it & it's still hyperbolic.

but thanks for typing all that hope it helps you sleep at night.
 
kingdawson said:
oh look another complete coincidence.

Richard Arlison Richard Arlison crazy how this keeps happening man.

This season it's now:

Romero
VDV
Udogie
Davies
Bissouma
Odobert
Son
Werner
Richarlison


NINE Players with the same injury and the season is only half done. Has this ever happened in the history of football?
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Worth a read if you are interested

www.bbc.com

Ange Postecoglou: Is Tottenham manager's style causing Spurs injury crisis?

Sports scientist Anton McElhone has worked closely with Ange Postecoglou at Celtic and speaks to BBC Sport about his methods.
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I listened to a podcast on the dam busters last week. It was very interesting.

A group of valiant young men being flown over to Germany, tasked with an incredibly complex strategy, trying to hit an unlikely target whilst also facing down wave after wave of German attacks, operating in the dark and simply hoping to get back home having changed the very difficult direction of limited successes on the continent…

:angeup:
 
Richard Arlison said:
That’s an expert in the field who doesn’t agree that the injuries are Ange’s fault and nor does he agree that these injuries are the norm for season 2 with Ange.
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McElhone was the head of sports science at Celtic between 2021 and 2023 while Postecoglou was manager.

Richard Arlison said:
The mitigating factors are clearly worth considering.
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From the article:

Why are Spurs getting so many injuries?​

PremierInjuries.com ranked Tottenham as having the third highest volume of separate injuries (21) up to 15 January, with the second highest days lost to injury (655) this season. Brighton were first with 23 injuries costing 914 days.

"At Celtic after six months Postecoglou could rotate the front five at 65 or 65 minutes to keep the freshness for the 60-game season," reflected McElhone.
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He had the best squad in the league thanks to managing the richest club in the league.

If it takes that kind of clear advantage in resources to make the system work; it's not really the system prevailing..........

"At Tottenham he's probably found that a lot more difficult because I don't think the strength in depth is the same as other Premier League clubs like Manchester City and Chelsea.

"Look at the evolution at Celtic under Postecoglou, we had a three-month period of sustaining injuries every week, mostly hamstring injuries. We had to get to the winter break to reset."

"As the players adapted to the demands of the system, the game fluctuation changed rather than that constant 'basketball' up and down the pitch, the team was able to control one half of the pitch more. So that stopped the centre-backs having to run in behind as often.

"As the game model and philosophy settled, that reduced injuries.
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No-one has the depth that Man C & Chavski do, but we would at the very least have the numbers to rotate... IF everyone wasn't getting feckin' injured.

He says the players at Celtic adapted to the system over time and had to run less as a result.... That hasn't happened here yet.




He's spit-balling whilst falling way short of an insightful diagnosis.
 
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John Duncan said:
Apart from Dynamo Kiev ( on zero points, for obvious reasons ( God Love Them ) and Nice and “ RFS FC “ , whom I never heard of ; any of the remaining sides could still qualify for the ko stages as far as I can see . With two games to go .

To think it’s come to this …
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I did question the bookies and fans who kept on citing us as favourites pretty much at the start of the tournament.
 
Airfixx said:
McElhone was the head of sports science at Celtic between 2021 and 2023 while Postecoglou was manager.
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Also under Poch at Spurs so he knows a few things about intensity at the highest level.
Airfixx said:
From the article:



He had the best squad in the league thanks to managing the richest club in the league.

If it takes that kind of clear advantage in resources to make the system work; it's not really the system prevailing..........
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The article didn't say that, you added that yourself. I'm more interested in what the expert said:

"At Celtic after six months Postecoglou could rotate the front five at 65 or 65 minutes to keep the freshness for the 60-game season," reflected McElhone."

You don't need to be the richest club in the league to have 5 players to rotate. However, our club choosing to cut the wage bill by 35m in the summer despite knowing that he needs 5 senior forwards to rotate, maybe, just maybe they left him short.

Airfixx said:
No-one has the depth that Man C & Chavski do, but we would at the very least have the numbers to rotate... IF everyone wasn't getting feckin' injured.

He says the players at Celtic adapted to the system over time and had to run less as a result.... That hasn't happened yet.
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Again, adapting to the physicality of a football system has nothing to do with wealth, that's just basic physiology. It definitely has a lot to do with the quality of your sports science team. Ange wanted to change our from the staff but somehow it's taken us until midway into season 2 for that to really start happening. Just maybe our club is a bureaucratic nightmare that isn't able to move at the speed of an elite football club where the goal is winning right here, right now?

Airfixx said:
He's spit-balling whilst falling way short of an insightful diagnosis.
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WALOB. You chose not to understand what he very clearly and concisely said.
 
Richard Arlison said:
That’s an expert in the field who doesn’t agree that the injuries are Ange’s fault and nor does he agree that these injuries are the norm for season 2 with Ange.

The mitigating factors are clearly worth considering.
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Eh? I didn't see anything you've just said.

The 'expert' even states that Ange took risks with hamstring injuries and stated a specific time he pushed for a player to play despite medical saying it was a risk. He decided to play him after the player stated he wanted to play.
 
Richard Arlison said:
The article didn't say that, you added that yourself.
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Everything in quotes is directly from the article.

If it's not in quotes; then yes it's my thoughts...........

(Nothing underhanded in that.)

Richard Arlison said:
I'm more interested in what the expert said:

"At Celtic after six months Postecoglou could rotate the front five at 65 or 65 minutes to keep the freshness for the 60-game season," reflected McElhone."

You don't need to be the richest club in the league to have 5 players to rotate. However, our club choosing to cut the wage bill by 35m in the summer despite knowing that he needs 5 senior forwards to rotate, maybe, just maybe they left him short.
Again, adapting to the physicality of a football system has nothing to do with wealth, that's just basic physiology. It definitely has a lot to do with the quality of your sports science team. Ange wanted to change our from the staff but somehow it's taken us until midway into season 2 for that to really start happening. Just maybe our club is a bureaucratic nightmare that isn't able to move at the speed of an elite football club where the goal is winning right here, right now?

WALOB. You chose not to understand what he very clearly and concisely said.
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It's not bollocks at all.......

- If it's a matter of player numbers; when everyone is fit we have the numbers to rotate.

- If the players aren't good enough; to most people's mantra (yours included!) it's because we need to spend more on them (at which point him referencing Chelsea & Man C does make his point alluding to QUALITY of depth come down to a battle of the cheque books). That Celtic's B team is still better than half the SPL is a tangible factor to cite in this (rotation) convo..... Virtually no other team apart from the cheats in the EPL can boast the equivalent.


............We are not out-spent nor out-numbered (when everyone is fit) by a long list of teams that are sat above us right now; nor does our spend and squad befit 15th place.



(p.s. I've been a lot less harsh in my judgement/criticism on Ange than most here thus far...... But pretending he's not a factor in any of our problems is just not credible.)
 
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