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Oh I remember this it's called Star Wars - Luke was our only hope...I listened to a podcast on the dam busters last week. It was very interesting.
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what are we doing here mate??"the injuries are not Ange' fault"
you literally just made something up (again).
The article literally states the main reason for the amount of injuries is the lack of squad depth.
Announce Skywalker.............
(Is Mikey Moore appropriate to the continuation of this analogy?)
Then I have no idea what you read because it definitely didn't agree with your idea that Ange is to blame for injuries.
Here, I actually agree there was an interesting quote:
"Ange is all about the numbers, [he'll say] 'Give me the facts'. Top managers will make the decisions," said McElhone. "It's not up to us to dictate, our job is to support, give the information.
"In year one at Celtic, Kyogo Furuhashi was injured going into the Scottish Cup final: a grade 2B hamstring injury. The manager asked 'Can we get the player available for the game? Is it a big risk?'
"The player wanted to play, we took the risk, we did the right strategies to try and get the player there, but it was the manager's choice."
I guess it shows that the decision to play was a joint effort at Celtic to decide if a player is "cleared to play". I don't think there is a player or coach in the world who wouldn't try to get fit to play in a Cup Final. Poch did it with Kane and the Champions League Final. Would you blame any player or manager for trying to be ready for a Final?
Watching Spurs games at the moment is like attending endless funerals.
Of course, he's a factor in our problems, he's the manager so he's the one who has to take responsibility for them.
But that is not the same as saying Ange's training methods and playing system are uniquely to blame for our injury crisis. And that is what we are talking about here.
That was an example (the Scottish cup final) but the article reads like Ange is happy to take risks with injuries providing the player is OK with playing and the medical team state it isn't impossible for the player to play the match.
Ok let me ask you something. With this bit of information you have now read about :
1)Ange being open to taking risks with injuries
2) Ange himself stating he kept VDV on longer then medical advice
are you now of the opinion that it was a risk playing VDV in that Chelsea game?
"the injuries are not Ange' fault"
you literally just made something up (again).
The article literally states the main reason for the amount of injuries is the lack of squad depth.
We are having this discussion in another chat but hey lets do it here as well. So the lack of squad depth is Ange's fault?
It said that he took a calculated risk, whilst considering (and understanding) the data, and the player's thoughts for a Final. You read it like he's happy to take risks.
I think Ange himself said that they planned to play VDV less than 70 minutes but they didn't plan on Romero having a freakish injury when they had clearly been very careful with him coming back from an ankle/foot knock. So he didn't really have another choice once he'd decided to play them both.
But, as a manager you live and die by your decisions and if he could do it back, I have no doubt he'd have subbed VDV regardless so in that regard he needs to own the decision not to do it. He could have probably put Gray at CB. We'd have lost by even more but he might still have VDV.
How many more bloody hamstrings.
Oh do fuck off. Fucking team building with people you hate. David Brent bollocks.
I know, I’m really struggling to find a common denominator here.oh look another complete coincidence.
This season it's now:
Romero
VDV
Udogie
Davies
Bissouma
Odobert
Son
Werner
Richarlison
NINE Players with the same injury and the season is only half done. Has this ever happened in the history of football?
Any ideas?
Anyone?
In all fairness, back in August ; most reasonable-minded people would have had us as a shoe-in for the semi-finals ( with a bit of luck with the draw ) . And from there anything is possible.
We’re now in the mix for a last sixteen place , and it could still all go horribly wrong.
The last six months haven’t gone to plan ; obvs .
Let’s hope things get better from here on in .
We’re not where we should be IMO .
By the same token; rate him or not it's not productive to blame things that aren't his fault (see my comments in the Solanke thread).
No; indeed it's not... But you will note that I did not say anything of the sort.
..............Just pondering the article a bit. I don't think it offers much conclusive insight beyond the fact that he had the best strength and depth in the SPL.
TBF he didn't say that.... He said he was planning to take him off around the 60min mark anyway; not that he'd ignored the medics.
Yeah I have no idea how you derived that from the article because it said nothing about that. That was your own pre-determined opinion tbj
Ange Postecoglou: Is Tottenham manager's style causing Spurs injury crisis?
Sports scientist Anton McElhone has worked closely with Ange Postecoglou at Celtic and speaks to BBC Sport about his methods.
www.bbc.com
he came off 80th minute no? show me the quote please.
It's certainly a random, small little place. Makes Tamworth look like a bustling metropolis.