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Has VAR Ruined Football?

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Wasn't this supposed to act as a supreme court? In which jurisdiction does a supreme court get involved with majority of the decisions lower courts make of its own accord? Irrespective of the number of decisions VAR actually gets right, the way it is operating at the moment is fundamentally wrong. At the very least, it should be the teams themselves that appeal for these additional reviews.

Getting rid of it altogether would be as extreme of a move as giving VAR free rein to intervene in more or less everything, a.k.a what we have at the moment, but a challenge based system where any unsuccesful one prohibits the team in question from appealing again for the rest of the match could be a fair compromise.
 
BJK said:
Wasn't this supposed to act as a supreme court? In which jurisdiction does a supreme court get involved with majority of the decisions lower courts make of its own accord? Irrespective of the number of decisions VAR actually gets right, the way it is operating at the moment is fundamentally wrong. At the very least, it should be the teams themselves that appeal for these additional reviews.

Getting rid of it altogether would be as extreme of a move as giving VAR free rein to intervene in more or less everything, a.k.a what we have at the moment, but a challenge based system where any unsuccesful one prohibits the team in question from appealing again for the rest of the match could be a fair compromise.
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The big problem right now is this dumb ass rule that VAR will only intervene if the ref gets it really wrong. The ref though isn't giving things as he thinks VAR will correct him if he gets it wrong. So quite often, nothing happens.
You could introduce a scheme where an aggrieved player can appeal for a review on the understanding that if he dived, then he will be booked. You kind of kill 2 birds with 1 stone there. They're less likely to dive in the first place but booked if they did. You also, as a Brucie bonus, stop having to rely on idiot refs and VAR to do do their job.
 
Matt1882 said:
The big problem right now is this dumb ass rule that VAR will only intervene if the ref gets it really wrong. The ref though isn't giving things as he thinks VAR will correct him if he gets it wrong. So quite often, nothing happens.
You could introduce a scheme where an aggrieved player can appeal for a review on the understanding that if he dived, then he will be booked. You kind of kill 2 birds with 1 stone there. They're less likely to dive in the first place but booked if they did. You also, as a Brucie bonus, stop having to rely on idiot refs and VAR to do do their job.
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And yet in the Man Utd v Everton game VAR intervened on the penalty at the end… not sure that was a clear and obvious error
 
Matt1882 said:
The big problem right now is this dumb ass rule that VAR will only intervene if the ref gets it really wrong. The ref though isn't giving things as he thinks VAR will correct him if he gets it wrong. So quite often, nothing happens.
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Yeah this is true. Like I said, a challenge based system where VAR will only act when called upon doesn't sound too bad to me. Onfield referee, knowing that VAR won't intervene unless the call in question is officialy challenged by team(s), will officiate the match as if VAR doesn't exist. Since teams will be reluctant to burn their challenge unless they're reasonably certain that they'll win it, most onfield decisions won't be challenged.

This wouldn't remove human error or malevolence altogether, I don't think such a panacea exists anyway, but it would be big upgrade over status quo.
 
LeParisien said:
And yet in the Man Utd v Everton game VAR intervened on the penalty at the end… not sure that was a clear and obvious error
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Another ridiculous thing on that one.

The supposed reasoning is that Madley called the penalty against Slabhead. So VAR was only looking at that part of the replay because that is why the penalty was awarded and they decided it wasn't enough contact. Since the on field call was for the foul against Maguire, they couldn't look at the fact that DeLigt was pulling him back by his shirt and award that...

Wut?

Ashley Young is a diving count, but that was a pk.
 
The refs that run the game couldn't run a bath without ruining it.
They need non refs to manage them as, at the moment, their reffing is spiralling out of control.
They are all power hungry little toads that seem to be able to do what they want in terms of rules and management without anyone to reign them in.
 
Just a suggesting to the Admin Admin that maybe the thread below could be merged with this thread:

Rules - VAR / Officiating

Uh no. Dean’s comments basically support that the people using it are complete idiots. Offsides is a problem but I’m pretty sure only the PL is using those dumb lines. Uh yes. VAR IS the idiots that are using it. You don't think some computer decides, do you? It's an ASSISTANT REFEREE with a...
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www.football.london

Reason Spurs did not get a penalty for Calvin Bassey 'foul' on Lucas Bergvall

Spurs were beaten 2-0 by Fulham at Craven Cottage but were denied a penalty in the second half
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Bergvall screamed for a penalty, but referee Andy Madley was unmoved. replays showed Bassey not getting any of the ball and Bergvall's leading leg going over the outstretched leg of Bassey. But VAR did not call Madley to the screen to have a look.

And the reason for that was explained on commentary with the VAR Paul Tierney apparently deeming that, "Bassey's foot was in front of Bergvall's and Bergvall's gone into him rather than the other way around."



View: https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/1jcoz2x/penalty_shout_var_says_play_on/
 
Pathfinder said:
This is a clear red car but not even a yellow 🤔


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/1jcr9in/calvin_bassey_challenge_on_mathys_tel/
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Pathfinder said:
www.football.london

Reason Spurs did not get a penalty for Calvin Bassey 'foul' on Lucas Bergvall

Spurs were beaten 2-0 by Fulham at Craven Cottage but were denied a penalty in the second half
www.football.london www.football.london

Bergvall screamed for a penalty, but referee Andy Madley was unmoved. replays showed Bassey not getting any of the ball and Bergvall's leading leg going over the outstretched leg of Bassey. But VAR did not call Madley to the screen to have a look.

And the reason for that was explained on commentary with the VAR Paul Tierney apparently deeming that, "Bassey's foot was in front of Bergvall's and Bergvall's gone into him rather than the other way around."



View: https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/1jcoz2x/penalty_shout_var_says_play_on/
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If we had Mourinho or Conte, even Redknapp, we'd have made a lot of noise about these.
I thought both were disgusting during the match and they just continue a massive theme, not just against us tbh.

I'm sick to fucking death of referee's leaving it to VAR and VAR shrugging and saying "it wasn't that wrong"

There needs to be a massive mindset change ASAP. If not, do away with VAR altogether and tell refs to giving anything they think is a red/penalty again.
 
Pathfinder said:
www.football.london

Reason Spurs did not get a penalty for Calvin Bassey 'foul' on Lucas Bergvall

Spurs were beaten 2-0 by Fulham at Craven Cottage but were denied a penalty in the second half
www.football.london www.football.london

Bergvall screamed for a penalty, but referee Andy Madley was unmoved. replays showed Bassey not getting any of the ball and Bergvall's leading leg going over the outstretched leg of Bassey. But VAR did not call Madley to the screen to have a look.

And the reason for that was explained on commentary with the VAR Paul Tierney apparently deeming that, "Bassey's foot was in front of Bergvall's and Bergvall's gone into him rather than the other way around."



View: https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/1jcoz2x/penalty_shout_var_says_play_on/
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FFS.

Someone should show him the decision in the FA Cup semi final against Chelsea where Son slides and Victor Moses (I think it was him) very deliberately and slowly dives over him.
 
HotShotTottenham said:
FFS.

Someone should show him the decision in the FA Cup semi final against Chelsea where Son slides and Victor Moses (I think it was him) very deliberately and slowly dives over him.
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Paul Tierney's comment is laughable "Bassey's foot was in front of Bergvall's and Bergvall's gone into him rather than the other way around".

Er ... that's called a trip. Which is usually given as a pen.
 
Finally:


Premier League to use semi-automated offside system from April 12​

‘Force field’ technology, which it is hoped will reduce VAR delays, can finally be launched after months of setbacks and FA Cup controversy​

March 27 2025, 4.00pm GMT
The Premier League will finally introduce semi-automated offside technology for matches from April 12 after months of delays.

The system, which aims to cut the time taken for VAR offside decisions significantly, was used in the FA Cup fifth round and quarter-finals but was involved in a record eight-minute delay in the Bournemouth v Wolverhampton Wanderers match.

The biggest issue in testing, and one which occurred in the FA Cup, has been that it struggles when there are lots of bodies around the ball, but the Premier League is now satisfied that the technology is up to scratch.

The technology now uses extra cameras and artificial intelligence to decide whether a player is offside when the ball is kicked. Similar systems have been used by Fifa since the 2022 World Cup and Uefa in the Champions League for the past three seasons, but the Premier League agreed a deal with a different provider called Second Spectrum, an American software company which is part of Genius Sports.


The system uses “mesh” data that creates an invisible “force field” which, when it is pierced by part of an attacker’s body that can score a goal — ie not their arms or hands — triggers an offside message. An image is provided to the VAR, who will judge if the attacker is interfering with play or not.

A statement said: “The Premier League will introduce semi-automated offside technology on Saturday 12 April [match round 32]. This follows non-live testing in the Premier League and live operation in the FA Cup this season.

“Semi-automated offside technology automates key elements of the offside decision-making process to support the video assistant referee [VAR]. It provides more efficient placement of the virtual offside line, using optical player tracking, and generates virtual graphics to ensure an enhanced in-stadium and broadcast experience for fans.”

Instead of limb-tracking which follows up to 36 points on the body, Second Spectrum’s Dragon system captures 10,000 “surface mesh data points” per player, over 200 times per second.

The semi-automated system will replace the Hawk-Eye system used at the moment, where lines are drawn manually on a screen by a VAR technician and which can lead to delays of two minutes or more.

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bus-conductor said:
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The system uses “mesh” data that creates an invisible “force field” which, when it is pierced by part of an attacker’s body that can score a goal — ie not their arms or hands — triggers an offside message. An image is provided to the VAR, who will judge if the attacker is interfering with play or not.



“Semi-automated offside technology automates key elements of the offside decision-making process to support the video assistant referee [VAR]. It provides more efficient placement of the virtual offside line, using optical player tracking, and generates virtual graphics to ensure an enhanced in-stadium and broadcast experience for fans.”
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Wouldn't get your hopes up that it's going to be much better yet.
 
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