I think you'll find nearly any company with said employment policies allow religious exemptions, for this very reason.
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I think the much greater problem is the obvious hypocrisy of the whole thing. If the government and football wants to set a clear moral code then it has to by rights start at the top. These would obviously be western standards and every owner of every club would need to sign it.
Immediately PSG, Newcastle and Man City owners would have to be forced to sell their clubs as they couldn’t agree to it. You can’t have an owner who hates gays and thinks slavery is fine signing this.
Only then would you be in a position once every club and owner has signed a clear unequivocal moral code to set out clear guidance lines for footballers to support causes.
We could have the odd situation of Gueye being fined for not promoting gay rights while the owners of PSG think throwing gays off the roof is ok and nothing happening to them. You cannot promote morals or causes in football when you have sold the soul of football to the highest bidder. I have mentioned this many times and it’s a huge obvious problem with the game.
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Imagine you're having to promote Trump for the mypillow guy cos he's your boss. I don't think you want to give your employer that kind power over yourself.
It's a genuinely difficult problem. Promoting gay rights is not inherent to the job of being a footballer, nor is fighting against racism. So technically you shouldn't be able to force someone to wear a "no to racism" badge or rainbow laces. Might call them bigots, but being bigot is their right.
However, that right in practice means that gays, ethnic minorities are having their right to live life without intimidation, judgement, or violence infringed upon.
For me, the rights of those with immutable traits, race, gender, sexuality etc. wins over the rights of beliefs and ideology. Just a question of whether not wearing the shirt is enough of an infringement on those rights to actually take any action against Gueye.
This is the heart of my argument. He's a massive cunt and a bigot for refusing to wear the shirt. But he hasn't infringed upon anyone's rights, and he ought not be punished. Other than by the club, who have a right to dock his wages based on refusal to perform on the day - he's got a decent legal argument against such action, but let the lawyers fight it out based on contract language.,
He didn't take action against LGBTQ equality, he just refused to participate in an action in support of LGBTQ equality. When you get to a point where support is mandatory, otherwise you're charged with abuse/infringement then you're treading on people's right to believe as they wish.
As you say, even bigots have rights. They don't have the right to abuse people because of their beliefs, but they have the right not to support/promote things they don't believe in. That's fundamental to personal liberty, you can't take that away and preserve western civilization's foundational freedoms.
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Wonder if Koulibaly also thinks that racist fans in stadiums have a right to be respected too?
This is what some people don't get. They think being gay is a choice, so not an equivalent to race. But it absolutely isn't one and therefore homophobia should be treated in exactly the same way as racism by society.
If Gueye doesn't want to wear the symbol he shouldn't be forced by law, but I hope PSG kick him to the curb and no half decent club in Europe wants to touch him.
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He deserves a right to think what likes too, to be fair….. if he doesn’t support the cause, so what. Just reflects badly on him. We don’t have to lash people that think differently…. Acceptance and tolerance have evolved massively in my lifetime, let’s allow it continue organically. Forcing opinions on people, only polarises their thinking IMO
Yeah, and other people have a right to think that someone who is prejudiced against others due to something that is out of their control is a dick.
Homophobia/racism are non-negotiable when it comes to 'free thinking', just saying.
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TBF, as far as how TFC generally goes, this is the kiddie pool. Potentially explosive subject so everyone is on their best behavior.
If you want death threats and cunt offs, you have to mention the chairman and/or transfers. Global religious and human rights philosophical debate is a piece of cake.
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But how is that non-negotiability expressed is the issue. Should he face legal trouble? I feel like if I he refused to wear the no racism armband or take a knee in the UK, he might be hounded out of the sport, but this incident will pass, and he won't really have to take any responsibility.
No. Once you go down the road of punishing people for refusing to wear symbols, you're in to dangerous authoritarian territory. The non negotiability should be expressed by a society which is repulsed by his views, the same way almost everyone would react to overt racism.
In a way I'm glad he did this, because a big hurdle to tackle is that so many people refuse to see homophobia as an ongoing issue in the West, its just something nasty that less civilised countries engage in, never us! Well you only need to look at the response to this & the abuse Josh Cavallo received to see this isn't true.
Ok Corbyn. I’ll do and think what you say after all
'Homophobia & racism are wrong and views of this nature shouldn't be tolerated by people.'
'God ok CORBYN! You're so .. authoritarian!!'
I just think that 50% of the world have shifted their mindset on racism, homophobia etc in the last 30 years….. forcing the other 50% to comply is not the best tactic IMO. Just point and laugh at them, treat them like aloof leppers, and 50% will quickly become 90%
I despise left wing, loudmouth wankers and generally say the opposite (contrary) even if I don’t believe it.
That's very literally what I have said I'd like to happen.
By 'non negotiable' I mean I'm not going to engage in discussions about whether people have the right to exist in the way they were born. So I won't engage in 'honest discussion' with a racist because it legitimises their views.
If they want to hold said views then so be it, it shouldn't be illegal but I simply wouldn't want to work or socialise alongside somebody with said opinions.
Non-story tbh. I wouldn't expect someone who is a devout Muslim to wear something that conflicts with their religious beliefs.
As long as he isn't saying shit like "I want to kill all the gays" or publicly wishes any sort of ill-will towards members of the gay community then we should just quietly accept the fact that we live in a complex society where people can have both religious freedom and freedom to be gay.
Do I think that it's wrong that Islam hates gays? Yes. Is it my place to tell them that they can't believe that. No.
EDIT: Turns out this thread is about 87 years old and I'm late to the party.
As long as he isn't saying shit like "I want to kill all the gays" or publicly wishes any sort of ill-will towards members of the gay community then we should just quietly accept the fact that we live in a complex society where people can have both religious freedom and freedom to be gay.
Do I think that it's wrong that Islam hates gays? Yes. Is it my place to tell them that they can't believe that. No.
EDIT: Turns out this thread is about 87 years old and I'm late to the party.