What we wanted -vs- What we got

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Back in May, when Harry was still manager and the season was coming to a close, I made some polls, based on a 4-4-2 formation as to who we wanted to keep and who we wanted to sell. Our desired first XI looked a little something like this.

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Subs: Friedel, Rose, Caulker*, Townsend*, Huddlestone, Parker, New Forward

Squad: Button, Naughton, Dawson, Gallas, King, New Winger, Livermore, New Central Midfielder, Falque

*U-21 so do not count towards 25-man squad

We had essentially decided that the following should go:

Gomes, Cudicini, Alnwick, Corluka, Nelsen, Bassong, Bentley, Jenas, Kranjcar, Pienaar, Dos Santos, Saha, Adebayor and Defoe

Now in September, with the transfer window over, let's analyse our wish list and 25-man squad list.

Goalkeepers

We got our wish for a new keeper in Hugo Lloris albeit on the final day of the window. Ben Alnwick went but surprisingly David Button who we wanted to be third choice was sold to Charlton with Heurelho Gomes and Carlo Cudicini still around, leaving us essentially with four first team keepers. Brad Friedel has already said he is happy to be second choice and likely to be so, which leaves Cudicini or Gomes fighting for 3rd choice. I suspect Gomes will leave in the loan window or Cudicini released from his contract (which Spurs have still not announced the extension of).

1. Hugo Lloris
2. Brad Friedel
3. Heurelho Gomes
4. Carlo Cudicini


Full-backs

Kyle Walker and Benoit Assou-Ekotto remain our first choice full-backs as expected. With Danny Rose out on loan to Sunderland for the season it means Kyle Naughton makes the subs bench in his place, allowing for a squad place to free up for another position. Naughton is expected to cover both right-back (his preferred position) and left-back with young Adam Smith available to cover the right-back position as well if required without taking a squad place. Vedran Corluka as we wanted, was sold to Lokomotiv Moscow.

5. Kyle Walker
6. Benoit Assou-Ekotto
7. Kyle Naughton
+ Adam Smith


Central Defenders

Ryan Nelsen (QPR) and Sebastien Bassong (Norwich) were released/sold as expected, however Ledley King has also sadly retired. Having voted to have 6 central defenders around it was a surprise then that AVB was willing to let Michael Dawson also leave the club but it seems since first choice Younes Kaboul is now injured until January that perhaps it would be wise to keep 5 central defenders around as a minimum. With Steven Caulker returning from his loan (and not taking up a squad place) and William Gallas sticking around in his last year for much needed squad backup the only thing we wanted was a new first choice central defender, which we duly got early in the window in Jan Vertonghen who can also cover the left-back position.

8. Jan Vertonghen
9. Younes Kaboul
10. William Gallas
11. Michael Dawson
+ Steven Caulker


Defensive/Central Midfielders/Deep Lying Playmakers

With our formation essentially now being 4-2-3-1 one could argue that not much has changed in what we want in the middle of the park. With Luka Modric finally leaving us that left a position in the first team that we required to fill. Debates will carry on but seeing as Mousa Dembele essentially played the deep lying playmaker role for Fulham in my view we are replacing that first team position with him.

A lot has been said about getting Joao Moutinho in, and hopefully it will happen in the future, however our midfield options are many, including Tom Huddlestone who surprisingly was to be loaned to Stoke City only for that to seemingly fall through. One would think he would cover well for Dembele but judging by the first 2 games of the season it seems that Jake Livermore and Jermaine Jenas (who we were unable to sell once again following a collapsed transfer to Sunderland) are ahead of Thudd.

Our defensive midfielders remain the same with Sandro likely to get more game time than Scott Parker this season. Our seventh midfielder is young Tom Carroll who will likely need to be loaned out once more once the Championship loan window re-opens in a week's time.

12. Mousa Dembele
13. Tom Huddlestone
14. Sandro Ranieri
15. Scott Parker
16. Jake Livermore
17. Jermaine Jenas
+ Tom Carroll


Attacking Midfielders

With the move to 4-2-3-1, essentially one of our forward positions becomes the attacking midfielder position. Two of the forwards we wanted to keep fall nicely into this position, one unfortunately was Rafael van der Vaart who has returned to Germany seemingly for family reasons. The other was young Yago Falque who will require a squad number but has not featured heavily under AVB. Another player who would have fit in this position is Giovani Dos Santos but with his contract expiring next year, and him likely not to want to sign a new one, the club wisely decided to cash in on him just as we had wanted and sold him to Mallorca. Coming into the first team is likely to be Gylfi Sigurdsson but with no backup player for this position (and we did want to bring in one more central midfielder) I expect players in the wing/attacking positions to drop into this position. Moutinho would have been perfect!

18. Gylfi Sigurdsson
19. Yago Falque


Wide Midfielders/Wingers

Whereas in a 4-4-2 we had players like Steven Pienaar who has re-joined Everton and Niko Kranjcar who has left for Dynamo Kyiv filling in as wide midfielders we now are likely to play the 4-2-3-1 formation with proper wingers. Gareth Bale and Aaron Lennon fit in perfectly for this formation with young Andros Townsend, who doesn't need a squad number, and newly signed Clint Dempsey competing for a place in the first eleven in their favoured wing positions. Dempsey could also cover for Sigurdsson as well as up front and I for one am glad he was brought in. Incredibly David Bentley is still kicking around but is unlikely to feature in an AVB team.

20. Gareth Bale
21. Aaron Lennon
22. Clint Dempsey
23. David Bentley
+ Andros Townsend


Striker

When we were playing 4-4-2 we wanted to bring in two new first choice forwards to replace a departing Jermain Defoe and Emmanuel Adebayor. As it turned out we were happy to bring in only one forward as we changed to a 4-2-3-1 and even one which not everyone wanted to keep on in Adebayor. With Defoe also signing a new contract it seems Fernando Llorente and Leandro Damiao were no longer options however it remains to be seen whether things change in January. Louis Saha was released, subsequently joining Sunderland and Harry Kane was loaned out to Norwich meaning Clint Dempsey will likely cover in attack should it be required. The worry here is that if Adebayor gets injured can Dempsey or Defoe lead the line? We shall see. Jonathan Obika will also require a squad number but is unlikely to get one.

24. Emmanuel Adebayor
25. Jermain Defoe
26. Jonathan Obika


Conclusion

I genuinely believe we are a Moutinho and a Llorente away from having a complete squad now and that we got most of what we asked for, in which case well done Daniel Levy!

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Subs: Friedel, Naughton, Caulker*, Dempsey, Huddlestone, Parker, Defoe

Squad: Cudicini, Gomes, Smith*, Dawson, Gallas, Livermore, Carroll*, Jenas, Bentley, Townsend*, Falque

*U-21 so do not count towards 25-man squad
 
Nice post but I think we need more and two more players for a complete squad.

Really need cover/competition/upgrade for Lennon imo
 
Decent write up and totally agree with the conclusion / final team.

I'll be the first to admit I havent seen too much of Dempsey, but I'm not sure he has ever played as an out and out striker, has he?

In which case, if Ade gets injured, JD will struggle playing up top alone and we have loaned out Kane! What happens if that formation isnt working and we want to play 2 up top? if either ade or jd are missing, we have no one else to play there! Obika isnt ready.

Is there an African Nations during this season? BAE goes to that we have no natural LB. I'm sure Smith or Naughton could fill in, hopefully vert will be no1 choice at centre half by then and Bale is a left winger not LB. Should a side hoping for top 4 be happy with players who can do a job?

As much as I was disappointed at not getting Moutinho, I really thought another striker was the priority
 
Quality post zin. It's funny how everyone has a different opinion on Dempsey. I think he will primarily be used as a wide forward player or a replacement for Siggy like you said.

If Dempsey is the replacement for Lennon, then I think you are right regarding us needing a Llorente/Damaio-type player and a Moutinho-type player to complete the ultimately balanced squad that AVB desires. Perhaps a Remy/Willian character will also be a necessary addition going forward to 4-3-3.

Nevertheless, I feel if we can somehow use Coulibaly/Lancaster/Ceballos and Tom Carroll this year and one of them starts to break through instead it could be an even wiser investment (not so sure if Obika is good enough). Part of the problem last season was that these players weren't allowed to play alongside better players in the Europa League / League Cup and just had to play amongst other young players and reserves.
 
The Weaver said:
Decent write up and totally agree with the conclusion / final team.

I'll be the first to admit I havent seen too much of Dempsey, but I'm not sure he has ever played as an out and out striker, has he?

In which case, if Ade gets injured, JD will struggle playing up top alone and we have loaned out Kane! What happens if that formation isnt working and we want to play 2 up top? if either ade or jd are missing, we have no one else to play there! Obika isnt ready.

Is there an African Nations during this season? BAE goes to that we have no natural LB. I'm sure Smith or Naughton could fill in, hopefully vert will be no1 choice at centre half by then and Bale is a left winger not LB. Should a side hoping for top 4 be happy with players who can do a job?

As much as I was disappointed at not getting Moutinho, I really thought another striker was the priority
He has, but prefers to play behind the striker, or on the wing.
 
Dru said:
brick said:
Dru said:
Nice post but I think we need more and two more players for a complete squad.

Really need cover/competition/upgrade for Lennon imo

Dempsey?

For me that's just like putting Niko there

Not really, has played there quite a bit for fulham.

In addition its worth bearing in mind in a 4-3-3, the right wing will be a different role to what it has been (when its been closer to a 4-2-3-1) If anything i think Dempsey may be more suited for the right forward role than lennon.

+using Niko is a bit of bad comparison, he was never rotated enough by harry to be 100% effective when we did play him.
 
If Kaboul doesn't get registered until January due to his injury then Obika can be and of all the strikers we have I think he'd be the best suited to replace Adebayor, but from following his loan at Yeovil last year he's too hit and miss and not good enough. Lancaster and Coulibaly are probably behind him in the pecking order though. We just have to wait and see if we get enough injuries for it to be an issue.
 
That the thing, depends on the system he uses I just meant if we wanted pace and width on the right wing we are a bit stuffed when Lennon gets injured.
 
Dru said:
That the thing, depends on the system he uses I just meant if we wanted pace and width on the right wing we are a bit stuffed when Lennon gets injured.

if we were playing a similar formation to last year, I'd completely agree, but from what It looks like AVB will try to get us to play, I think we needed a player more in the Dempsey/Sturridge/Hulk/Remy vein, than the one you describe.

However, I'll happily eat my own words if I'm wrong
 
brick said:
Dru said:
That the thing, depends on the system he uses I just meant if we wanted pace and width on the right wing we are a bit stuffed when Lennon gets injured.

if we were playing a similar formation to last year, I'd completely agree, but from what It looks like AVB will try to get us to play, I think we needed a player more in the Dempsey/Sturridge/Hulk/Remy vein, than the one you describe.

However, I'll happily eat my own words if I'm wrong
are exactly what he described, but they are at the same time more striker material than Lennon, all three of the highlighted players are very much speed merchants.
 
Kalyl said:
brick said:
Dru said:
That the thing, depends on the system he uses I just meant if we wanted pace and width on the right wing we are a bit stuffed when Lennon gets injured.

if we were playing a similar formation to last year, I'd completely agree, but from what It looks like AVB will try to get us to play, I think we needed a player more in the Dempsey/Sturridge/Hulk/Remy vein, than the one you describe.

However, I'll happily eat my own words if I'm wrong
are exactly what he described, but they are at the same time more striker material than Lennon, all three of the highlighted players are very much speed merchants.

But Defoe is hardly a slouch and can finish as well, he just can't pass. If only we could combine Lennon, Dempsey and Defoe... although I think that is actually called a Hulk.
 
Dru said:
brick said:
Dru said:
Nice post but I think we need more and two more players for a complete squad.

Really need cover/competition/upgrade for Lennon imo

Dempsey?

For me that's just like putting Niko there

“Clint Dempsey also provides us with tremendous versatility and he has produced magnificent performances for Fulham with 36 goals over the past two seasons and that shows just what a prolific and powerful player he is.

Dont think anyone has, or ever will say that about Niko
 
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