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Poch's not up to it / Years of under investment

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Don’t forget this nonsense though:

“At Manchester City and Liverpool, Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp are free to decide which players they want and which they do not,” said Pochettino.

“On the other hand, at other clubs such as Tottenham, Chelsea or Woolwich, the configuration of the playing staff is not in the hands of the managers. The person who decides, in our case, is the president.”

It is 100% correct
 
What is this fallacy about Klopp winning stuff because he was backed. They didn’t spend a penny this year yet look as good.

He dropped Kieta and Fabinho for large parts of the season and stuck with Milner and Henderson. Would you want them under Poch?
They have an academy RB and a 9M LB from Hull.

They spent 60M on a keeper who wouldn’t look out of place in the 14M bracket.
VVD, let’s call him world class then to make people happy....75M, ok, that’s one.
Thats 135M on two players most clubs would have got for 70M combined.

Salah cost less than Sanchez, Lo Celso and Ndombele....Mane cost the same as Sissoko and Lamela.

It’s not spending, it’s called coaching and good tactics.
Mane only went there cause of wages - levy didn’t want to pay up - it was between us and Pool. Same with most of the others listed. So yes - Klopp was 100% backed when he needs to improved a weak team - fact
 
Net spend is irrelevant here. They spent their money much more wisely than we did and backed their manager much earlier.
If roles were swapped and it was them who spend nothing last season, would they have pushed City to within an inch of the title and won the Champions League? Would they fuck.
Net spend is totally relevant if a club is running sell to buy transfer policies.beginning of last summer it was 700k . They've backed Klopp no more than pochetinno has been. They've just spent it better than we have, as a rule.
 
Based on players they should have won.
Football doesn't always work like that though does it. That's why you have upsets and so called giant killings. On the day Liverpool didn't play well, lazy saying maybe but they were there for the taking. A cohesive and coherant performance from us would have gotten us over the line in my opinion but it didn't happen. My point is that signings and team strengthening had nothing to do with us losing that final.
 
My hunch as regards the summer of 2018 is that we needed to sell in order to buy. But Levy was up the walls with the stadium and didn't have enough time to find buyers/negotiate deals for our junk.
 
On the pitch he is failing to invest in players properly. I mean a whole transfer window without signings to help the manager is the worst thing a chairman can do. Brilliant from Poch to get us to the CL without the chairman helping him out. If anything the chairman sold Dembele in January and made the squad even weaker.

So if we bough Ndombele last year Poch would be a better tactician?
 
Klopp didn't want Salah. Pep does not control team purchases, its a committee. This is all widely reported. All club transfer policies are run by a large team of people - no single manager has sway over all transfers.
Pep calls the shots - main reason he signed for them
 
Is this an argument about backing the manager? I think not.

As a layman, Poch has been backed this summer. All of the so-called "targets" have been landed and while this is way too early to say that we should be making big decisions, history (and by history I mean this calendar year) suggests that there is a problem. For those that say that the season is only 3 games old - no issue. Do you really want to wait until May to then say - yeah actually, you were right - there was a problem.

I don't think anyone's finger should be on the red button yet, but the NLD is both the best and worst possible fixture to come next.
 
Mane only went there cause of wages - levy didn’t want to pay up - it was between us and Pool. Same with most of the others listed. So yes - Klopp was 100% backed when he needs to improved a weak team - fact
You can’t compare prices from 3 yrs ago to the current market. Prices have almost doubled in some cases. Ayoze Perez 30m. Ridiculous. One season he scored in double figures.
50m is the new 30m.
Joelinton at Newcastle up to 40m ...most league goals is 8 in the Austrian league. Would have to score against us.
At least we can now compete on wages. Winaldum turned us down on wages also.
 
Winaldum turned us down on wages also.
This is the facts. Leave your preconceived ideas about glory at the door. We might find football glorious but the vast majority of professionals (in any profession) want to get paid more for the same work. The Stadium is a means to that end.
 
So basically we have a large number of fans who don’t think Poch is good enough to win something with this squad.....and another trophy less season is ok to them.

Despite spending 130M this summer, the excuses for his perceived failure are already nicely in place.
And these are the people who think there is no better manager.

“We can’t get Simeone so the squad is shit”

Eriksen, the "most important and best player on the team" has played 165 minutes of the 270 this season. Benched by Poch....so how is investment the problem?
 
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It’s the old frustration devil raising its ugly head again, we have seen it all before, no one is completely to blame, no one is blameless either....

We have a few players who believe they have outgrown the club.
We have a manager who right now doesn’t know what his formation and tactics are let alone his best 11.
We have a chairman who is always a year too late in decision making.

Join all the dots, dust it down and pour some sugar on it and the result is simply frustration, caused by over thinking the solutions to minor problems, which leads to indecision making at the top and there we have it, another rebuild followed by another rebuild followed by.....yeah you guessed it.
 
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