Moussa Sissoko

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100% if Josh Onomah put in such a performance, he'd have had about 10 new pages added to his thread on how he bossed the best team in the country.

Ridiculous ridicule at times.


Josh Onomah has actually put in performances comparable to most of Sissoko's on the rare starts he's had, and nobody called them outstanding or MOTM.

What did Sissoko actually do? careered forwards two or three times and did nothing, pissed away one of the best chances of the game, completed 23 fucking passes in 90 minutes (Winks made 22 in 24 minutes) - none of them incisive, whacked a ball out for a corner from the halfway line, miss controlled it a couple of times.

Jesus wept, how fucking low is the bar set ?

As others have said, the lad tries hard, never faulted his effort wherever he's been, he's an athletic unit who's good for a surge or two a game, but there's no intelligence or finesse to what happens next, and his positional sense is rudimentary at best and what he does without the ball is pretty agricultural too, it's not like he's Kante is it, cleverly reading danger and snuffing it out all over the place.

We've got academy players that are technically and tactically far more proficient than Sissoko as CM's. I think it's a fucking travesty that this happens when you give a manager too much say in transfers, and then has to try and justify it, because that money could and should have been spent much more efficiently by someone who's job it is to evaluate potential signings, or we should be seeing an academy player advanced, having had those minutes - and lets face it, if we stack up all Sissoko's performance minutes, even Onomah couldn't have been less inept than Sissoko's been for most of them - and at least by now we'd either have integrated a CM with some potential or be about 5-10m in the black from moving him on, not 10-20m down on a player who's been largely useless for two and a half years, who is nowhere near good enough for a team with our aspirations.
 
Josh Onomah has actually put in performances comparable to most of Sissoko's on the rare starts he's had, and nobody called them outstanding or MOTM.

What did Sissoko actually do? careered forwards two or three times and did nothing, pissed away one of the best chances of the game, completed 23 fucking passes in 90 minutes (Winks made 22 in 24 minutes) - none of them incisive, whacked a ball out for a corner from the halfway line, miss controlled it a couple of times.

Jesus wept, how fucking low is the bar set ?

As others have said, the lad tries hard, never faulted his effort wherever he's been, he's an athletic unit who's good for a surge or two a game, but there's no intelligence or finesse to what happens next, and his positional sense is rudimentary at best and what he does without the ball is pretty agricultural too, it's not like he's Kante is it, cleverly reading danger and snuffing it out all over the place.

We've got academy players that are technically and tactically far more proficient than Sissoko as CM's. I think it's a fucking travesty that this happens when you give a manager too much say in transfers, and then has to try and justify it, because that money could and should have been spent much more efficiently by someone who's job it is to evaluate potential signings, or we should be seeing an academy player advanced, having had those minutes - and lets face it, if we stack up all Sissoko's performance minutes, even Onomah couldn't have been less inept than Sissoko's been for most of them - and at least by now we'd either have integrated a CM with some potential or be about 5-10m in the black from moving him on, not 10-20m down on a player who's been largely useless for two and a half years, who is nowhere near good enough for a team with our aspirations.


Bore off
 
He’s been a shit signing thus far . No doubt imo that he hasn’t come close to justifying the price we paid for him. But the price tag isn’t his problem. So everyone has to put that gripe to one side.
However, as much as I’ve slated him, I think he’s been pretty effective last few games he’s played. You know he’s going to gallop up and down the pitch for 90 Minutes, & you know that within those 90 minutes he will do something that gets you thinking “great stuff lad”, & then fuck it up with a cart horse moment (sometimes in the same passage of play). He gives everything though & he was excellent by & large last evening.
Has the right application and attitude - just not the end product sadly
 
We've got academy players that are technically and tactically far more proficient than Sissoko as CM's.

Sissoko - Played 432 club games and 53 Internationals .... but according to our resident feckwit the bus-conducter he has less technical and tactical ability than an academy player ... don't you see what a clueless cunt that makes you look? opinions are one thing, being a complete arsehole that's something completely different ...

When Poch plays him, when Domenech, Blanc and Deschamps all play him, it's probably fair to assume they have at least a decent grasp of a player's ability, and that in reality you haven't got a fucking clue ... would that be fair?
 
Sissoko - Played 432 club games and 53 Internationals .... but according to our resident feckwit the bus-conducter he has less technical and tactical ability than an academy player ... don't you see what a clueless cunt that makes you look? opinions are one thing, being a complete arsehole that's something completely different ...

When Poch plays him, when Domenech, Blanc and Deschamps all play him, it's probably fair to assume they have at least a decent grasp of a player's ability, and that in reality you haven't got a fucking clue ... would that be fair?

Considering Onomah can barely get starts in his own position at Championship clubs speaks volumes. He's either simply not that good (most likely) or his attitude is awful (Not heard anything about that though besides the World Cup incident).

I mean we overrate our youngsters, of course we do. FFS, KWP got MOTM against Newcastle on the basis that he's young and we kept a cleansheet. This 'MOTM' rubs off on our fans in the sense that people think he should be starting games. When in reality, his crossing was shocking all game and he got run ragged by Christian Atsu (as well as nearly costing us a penalty). KWP is a great talent but he ISNT better than Aurier or Trippier, especially not at this level.

If Onomah had performed like Sissoko did against Man City. Knocking opponents of the ball, running through players at ease. Making the most interceptions in the game. More aerial duels won than anyone else. 100% dribble and tackle rate. Too fucking right would your resident youth lovers come on and declared that he's a genius and should be starting every game. They would have simply looked past his end product or the odd misplaced pass here and there because he's Josh Onomah and not £30,000,000 Moussa Sissoko.
 
Considering Onomah can barely get starts in his own position at Championship clubs speaks volumes. He's either simply not that good (most likely) or his attitude is awful (Not heard anything about that though besides the World Cup incident).

I mean we overrate our youngsters, of course we do. FFS, KWP got MOTM against Newcastle on the basis that he's young and we kept a cleansheet. This 'MOTM' rubs off on our fans in the sense that people think he should be starting games. When in reality, his crossing was shocking all game and he got run ragged by Christian Atsu (as well as nearly costing us a penalty). KWP is a great talent but he ISNT better than Aurier or Trippier, especially not at this level.

If Onomah had performed like Sissoko did against Man City. Knocking opponents of the ball, running through players at ease. Making the most interceptions in the game. More aerial duels won than anyone else. 100% dribble and tackle rate. Too fucking right would your resident youth lovers come on and declared that he's a genius and should be starting every game. They would have simply looked past his end product or the odd misplaced pass here and there because he's Josh Onomah and not £30,000,000 Moussa Sissoko.

Sissoko completed 100% of his 1 dribble (whoscored). Or 1 of his 2 take ons. 100% of his one tackle. Impressive.

So what you're saying is, you're as incapable of rational thought and as biased where Sissoko is concerned as what you claim certain fans of youth football are about youth players? Great.
 
Sissoko completed 100% of his 1 dribble (whoscored). Or 1 of his 2 take ons. 100% of his one tackle. Impressive.

So what you're saying is, you're as incapable of rational thought and as biased where Sissoko is concerned as what you claim certain fans of youth football are about youth players? Great.
Give it a rest. You don't like Moussa Sissoko we get it.

If you really do not like him that much just stay out of his thread and avoid discussing him.

You'll be better off for it and will open up a whole lot of spare time.
 
Sissoko - Played 432 club games and 53 Internationals .... but according to our resident feckwit the bus-conducter he has less technical and tactical ability than an academy player ... don't you see what a clueless cunt that makes you look? opinions are one thing, being a complete arsehole that's something completely different ...

When Poch plays him, when Domenech, Blanc and Deschamps all play him, it's probably fair to assume they have at least a decent grasp of a player's ability, and that in reality you haven't got a fucking clue ... would that be fair?

I think the fact that you can't accept that we have some academy players with better technique than Sissoko makes you the fuckwit. You think Edwards doesn't have better technique than Sissoko ? Skipp isn't more comfortable in possession of the ball and can pass with more dexterity ? Winks ?

If managers were geniuses who never got anything wrong they would never get the sack, but they frequently do. Go figure. Domenech is pretty much a laughing stock. Blanc won one game at the Euros, drew with a shit England and lost to Sweden, incredible considering he had at his disposal the footballing genius of Sissoko? Deschamps is just Tony Pulls in a beret instead of a baseball cap. And Sissoko was Poch's 13th most used player last season - despite having to justify spending 30m plus another 15 or so on wages. And has also spent 3 years playing a CB in midfield. Hardly a ringing endorsement.
 
This thread isn't title "only people who like Sissoko thread"
It's not but you seem to be unable to accept that people appreciate what Sissoko does and the work he puts in. Leading to non constructive discussions that runs ad naseum.

Admit a battle lost, take a chill pill and move on buddy
 
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Josh Onomah has actually put in performances comparable to most of Sissoko's on the rare starts he's had, and nobody called them outstanding or MOTM.

What did Sissoko actually do? careered forwards two or three times and did nothing, pissed away one of the best chances of the game, completed 23 fucking passes in 90 minutes (Winks made 22 in 24 minutes) - none of them incisive, whacked a ball out for a corner from the halfway line, miss controlled it a couple of times.

Jesus wept, how fucking low is the bar set ?

As others have said, the lad tries hard, never faulted his effort wherever he's been, he's an athletic unit who's good for a surge or two a game, but there's no intelligence or finesse to what happens next, and his positional sense is rudimentary at best and what he does without the ball is pretty agricultural too, it's not like he's Kante is it, cleverly reading danger and snuffing it out all over the place.

We've got academy players that are technically and tactically far more proficient than Sissoko as CM's. I think it's a fucking travesty that this happens when you give a manager too much say in transfers, and then has to try and justify it, because that money could and should have been spent much more efficiently by someone who's job it is to evaluate potential signings, or we should be seeing an academy player advanced, having had those minutes - and lets face it, if we stack up all Sissoko's performance minutes, even Onomah couldn't have been less inept than Sissoko's been for most of them - and at least by now we'd either have integrated a CM with some potential or be about 5-10m in the black from moving him on, not 10-20m down on a player who's been largely useless for two and a half years, who is nowhere near good enough for a team with our aspirations.

Maths police are here to see you, Blakey....

They wanna know wdf you waffling about.

Seems insane that anyone would need it pointing out, but Sissoko cost 30m.... You don't still hold stock in that bollocks about only costing 6m per year he stays do you?
 
Maths police are here to see you, Blakey....

They wanna know wdf you waffling about.

Seems insane that anyone would need it pointing out, but Sissoko cost 30m.... You don't still hold stock in that bollocks about only costing 6m per year he stays do you?

Oh for the pleasure of being blissfully stupid enough to believe the silly 6m per year bollocks...No, I was referring, optimistically, to the difference in the 30m we paid for him and the money we are likely to receive when (god willing) we find someone stupid enough to buy him.
 
It's not but you seem to be unable to accept that people appreciate what Sissoko does and the work he puts in. Leading to non constructive discussions that runs ad naseum.

Admit a battle lost, take a chill pill and move on buddy

I have no problem with people appreciating the effort Sissoko puts in. I (and most of his detractors) have acknowledged this, but there is a faction that seem hell bent on talking everything else he does up, whilst refusing to acknowledge his glaring deficiencies, even when trying hard and doing the odd thing well.

It is that faction that need are ruining constructive discussion. Not those of us, more realistically, saying "he's trying hard, he did well by his standards, but those standards are well below the level we are aspiring to".
 
Oh for the pleasure of being blissfully stupid enough to believe the silly 6m per year bollocks...No, I was referring, optimistically, to the difference in the 30m we paid for him and the money we are likely to receive when (god willing) we find someone stupid enough to buy him.

More haste, less vigour perhaps?
 
I think the fact that you can't accept that we have some academy players with better technique than Sissoko makes you the fuckwit. You think Edwards doesn't have better technique than Sissoko ? Skipp isn't more comfortable in possession of the ball and can pass with more dexterity ? Winks ?

If managers were geniuses who never got anything wrong they would never get the sack, but they frequently do. Go figure. Domenech is pretty much a laughing stock. Blanc won one game at the Euros, drew with a shit England and lost to Sweden, incredible considering he had at his disposal the footballing genius of Sissoko? Deschamps is just Tony Pulls in a beret instead of a baseball cap. And Sissoko was Poch's 13th most used player last season - despite having to justify spending 30m plus another 15 or so on wages. And has also spent 3 years playing a CB in midfield. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

You're an idiot ... give up ... an unproven academy player has more technique than a player capped 50 times for the World Champions? only in your fucked up little world ...

Nobody is claiming that Sissoko is the world's best, but he is a proven international not some 18 year old wannabee ... go find something else to whine about, you're done here ...
 
You're an idiot ... give up ... an unproven academy player has more technique than a player capped 50 times for the World Champions? only in your fucked up little world ...

Nobody is claiming that Sissoko is the world's best, but he is a proven international not some 18 year old wannabee ... go find something else to whine about, you're done here ...

Technique isn't everything though. There are probably people you've never heard of, who aren't playing professionally, with better technique than Sissoko and whoever it is in our academy that has best technique. That there are players in our academy with better technique than Sissoko is not just likely, it is a fact.

Sissoko, though, has athletisism and effort at a top, top level. Our technical academy boys are not there yet, and most (if any) will never even come close to his physical ability.

Sissoko has qualities as a footballer. Of that there is no doubt. Unfortunately, they do not fit with how we want to play football.
 
Here's just a few techniques ... are you saying a professional at both International and EPL level for a decade can't handle these as well as a raw 18 year old .... is that the argument?

Passing with the inside of the foot
with the outside of the foot
with the instep
crossing the ball
Shooting with the instep
with the inside of the foot
with the outside of the foot
on the half-volley
on the volley - from the front
Heading at goal from high crosses
Trapping the ball with the foot
Feint and dribble the passing move
the shooting move
the body move
the back-foot move
the scissors move
Ball control looking up before you receive the ball
close control
Running with the ball close control
Turning with the body move

Attacking play
Principles of attack give support
passing - distance
Passing play looking up
2-1 situations wall pass
Runs deep runs
diagonal runs
v-runs
create your own space
create space for others
Crosses late crosses
Finishing runs for crosses
clear - unpressured

Defending
Principles of defence goal-side
marking
covering
pressing
danger areas
1-1 situations challenged - intercept
Defending around the box central attacks
attacks on the flanks
 
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