Ex-Spurs Player Christian Eriksen

[For better or worse]

Agreed - Levy gor this one horribly wrong

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but if the clubs he wants to go to don't make an offer what can Levy do? Can hardly sell the player to Ipswich if he doesn't want to go there. Power is with the player, has been for a very long time.

I'm sure there have been multiple offers from other clubs over the years and improved contracts on the table. If the player is holding out for something specific there is very little we can do!

 

[ArcspacE]

but if the clubs he wants to go to don't make an offer what can Levy do? Can hardly sell the player to Ipswich if he doesn't want to go there. Power is with the player, has been for a very long time.

I'm sure there have been multiple offers from other clubs over the years and improved contracts on the table. If the player is holding out for something specific there is very little we can do!

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I think there were offers but probably deemed too low

 

[Mandy]

The last rumour I heard was that he'd been offered £150k a week which is double his current wage and 2nd highest in the club. If he deems that too low he's out of touch with reality. He's been at the club for 6 years so he knows the wage structure and finances, and that it's a very good offer.

 

[Spursidol]

Agreed - Levy gor this one horribly wrong

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Think it may well be that Levy didn't like any of the alternatives.

Imagine a scenario where (hypothetically) 2 summers ago, Eriksen agent said to Levy, my client is not against staying at Spurs but he would like to explore alternatives.

There are two offers which he would be prepared to accept if Spurs would accept - lots of other alternatives which Christian would not accept.

1. An offer to go to Madrid - but Madrid will only pay £30m

2. An offer from Manu but they will only oay £30m

But Poch is not keen on Christian leaving without an Uber replacement costing £100m plus - possibly Hazard then at Chelsea. So offers for Eriksen declined.

Then last summer there are no offers which Eriksen would accept as Madrid and big clubs did not come calling, only Juvenrus saying we will take him for £20m as that is all we can afford.

Problem with Eriksen is that if there are only s couple of clubs he will consider going to and they are not prepared to bid much, it's a problem to replace them.

 

[The Dane]

The last rumour I heard was that he'd been offered £150k a week which is double his current wage and 2nd highest in the club. If he deems that too low he's out of touch with reality. He's been at the club for 6 years so he knows the wage structure and finances, and that it's a very good offer.

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Don't think it's about the wages.

 

[FightingIllini]

Although I get your point, underpaid for kicking a football around is a bit silly.

He’s been offered contracts with more money. And nobody came in for him or the other wantaways in the summer. That’s quite telling.

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At the conclusion of 2016-17 we had a good 10-12 players who were on wages massively below the market rate, most or all of whom had enormous transfer market value.

Trying to just keep all of them while nipping and tucking at the wage structure was a shaky strategy. You risk players running down their contracts, hard feelings in the squad, but also loss of form and loss of that value (Dier, Rose).

But of course, at one position we tried the other strategy, and the Trippier/Aurier combo proved to be a shadow of what Kyle Walker gave us.

Ultimately you just have to know your players as athletes and as people and know the culture of your dressing room and the football vision of your coaching staff and make the RIGHT moves. It's not one-size-fits-all.

Letting it all go stale here seemed like a mistake at the time and so it has proven to be. A new manager and new ideas passes the straight face test for a sensible next step from there, but big, thorny squad questions loom.

 

[Notabadsquad]

That he is running down his contract is his business and his right

That his performances have been so poor is an absolute disgrace and as a so called professional he should be fcuking embarrassed.

The sooner he moves on now the less time we waste talking about him.

 

[anderton46]

The last rumour I heard was that he'd been offered £150k a week which is double his current wage and 2nd highest in the club. If he deems that too low he's out of touch with reality. He's been at the club for 6 years so he knows the wage structure and finances, and that it's a very good offer.

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hows he out of touch? If you are a free agent you can make a fortune. Look at Ramsay. A good player, not the best making a killing just because the club compensates for the lack of transfer fee. Almost every player should see out their contracts so they can milk clubs.

 

[TheRealTI]

At the conclusion of 2016-17 we had a good 10-12 players who were on wages massively below the market rate, most or all of whom had enormous transfer market value.

Trying to just keep all of them while nipping and tucking at the wage structure was a shaky strategy. You risk players running down their contracts, hard feelings in the squad, but also loss of form and loss of that value (Dier, Rose).

But of course, at one position we tried the other strategy, and the Trippier/Aurier combo proved to be a shadow of what Kyle Walker gave us.

Ultimately you just have to know your players as athletes and as people and know the culture of your dressing room and the football vision of your coaching staff and make the RIGHT moves. It's not one-size-fits-all.

Letting it all go stale here seemed like a mistake at the time and so it has proven to be. A new manager and new ideas passes the straight face test for a sensible next step from there, but big, thorny squad questions loom.

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It could very easily have turned out differently though. If we sell 1-2 key players as you suggest, do we make the Champions League final last year? Obviously we didn't win but the publicity and funds gained were huge.

It's a bit simple minded to me to say it was all a mistake because even though we may get less or nothing for them now, we gained a bunch elsewhere along the way.

 

[FightingIllini]

It could very easily have turned out differently though. If we sell 1-2 key players as you suggest, do we make the Champions League final last year? Obviously we didn't win but the publicity and funds gained were huge.

It's a bit simple minded to me to say it was all a mistake because even though we may get less or nothing for them now, we gained a bunch elsewhere along the way.

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It's all a question of where we go from here I guess. You are certainly correct to say that hanging onto players had its advantages, but how much better might our roster situation have been if we'd made changes?

Who could have imagined Leicester City selling Mahrez and Kante and Drinkwater and getting BETTER? Well, that's exactly what they've done.

 

[bus-conductor]

but if the clubs he wants to go to don't make an offer what can Levy do? Can hardly sell the player to Ipswich if he doesn't want to go there. Power is with the player, has been for a very long time.

I'm sure there have been multiple offers from other clubs over the years and improved contracts on the table. If the player is holding out for something specific there is very little we can do!

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What Levy (and maybe Poch too, if he convinced Levy he could persuade Eriksen to sign a new deal a year ago) got wrong was either letting this go past 2 years out (to the end of contract) before actively trying to sell him or at that point offering him a deal he couldn’t refuse. One or the other.

Summer 2018 Eriksen’s stock was high enough that (with 2 years left in his contract) we could have got a very good fee from a decent club - but that still comes with the caveat that he would accept that club.

There is no point bitching about the way Eriksen has gone about (not that you were but some have) this, at 12m fee and 75k a week for the last 3/4 years and about 35k pw before that he’s been an absolute fucking bargain, it’s how we (Levy/Poch etc) have gone about it that’s poor or “unprofessional” (as I’ve seen someonecall Eriksen’s stance).

 

[Rocket]

roster situation

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[FightingIllini]

Americunt, at your service

 

[Rocket]

What Levy (and maybe Poch too, if he convinced Levy he could persuade Eriksen to sign a new deal a year ago) got wrong was either letting this go past 2 years out (to the end of contract) before actively trying to sell him or at that point offering him a deal he couldn’t refuse. One or the other.

Summer 2018 Eriksen’s stock was high enough that (with 2 years left in his contract) we could have got a very good fee from a decent club - but that still comes with the caveat that he would accept that club.

There is no point bitching about the way Eriksen has gone about (not that you were but some have) this, at 12m fee and 75k a week for the last 3/4 years and about 35k pw before that he’s been an absolute fucking bargain, it’s how we (Levy/Poch etc) have gone about it that’s poor or “unprofessional” (as I’ve seen someonecall Eriksen’s stance).

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We don't know that there was any such thing as a contract he couldn't refuse. Seems pretty clear he's got his mind set.

Also there's no guarantee that we could have sold him at any point. If he doesn't want to go to any club that has made an offer we can't make him. No matter how much the club has been offered.

Lastly the 'unprofessional' label has (at least in my reading) been aimed at him pretty much exclusively from a not trying to the best of his ability angle, rather than a "how dare he run down his contract" stance.

 

[Rocket]

Americunt, at your service

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Gonna ask Case for a roster > squad autoreplace
:eriksenlol:

 

[Shotgunofmichalebrow]

It's all a question of where we go from here I guess. You are certainly correct to say that hanging onto players had its advantages, but how much better might our roster situation have been if we'd made changes?

Who could have imagined Leicester City selling Mahrez and Kante and Drinkwater and getting BETTER? Well, that's exactly what they've done.

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They are in no way "better" for losing the first two. Also they won the title with them they will finish behind us this season, wait and see.

 

[Matt1882]

The simple way to solve the Eriksen issue in January is tell him he's never playing for Spurs again.
He can go wherever he likes, but he's not getting picked and he's not allowed near the training ground.

If he STILL refuses to go then make sure his name isn't in the champions league list for the KO stages and make sure he is kept away.
We're paying him to do f all at the moment. Might as well give his squad space to a player who wants to be at the club.

 

[FightingIllini]

They are in no way "better" for losing the first two. Also they won the title with them they will finish behind us this season, wait and see.

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They're on pace for 87 points. They won the title with 81. They won the title with a +32 goal difference, they're at +24 now through only 14 games.

It's a long season and they may not continue this pace, but the point is, they sold off critical parts to their title-winning team at the peak of their value, and reinvested those funds into new (younger, critically) players that were well-scouted, and acquired a manager who could get the best out of them. They didn't sacrifice their position by selling their stars up the food chain, they solidified it.

The old dichotomy of buying clubs and selling clubs is dead, and if Levy is still clinging to that heuristic he's making a mistake, above all else that's my point.

 

[TheRealTI]

They're on pace for 87 points. They won the title with 81. They won the title with a +32 goal difference, they're at +24 now through only 14 games.

It's a long season and they may not continue this pace, but the point is, they sold off critical parts to their title-winning team at the peak of their value, and reinvested those funds into new (younger, critically) players that were well-scouted, and acquired a manager who could get the best out of them. They didn't sacrifice their position by selling their stars up the food chain, they solidified it.

The old dichotomy of buying clubs and selling clubs is dead, and if Levy is still clinging to that heuristic he's making a mistake, above all else that's my point.

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They won the league in 2015-16 which obviously is a huge accomplishment. Since then they've finished...

12th
9th
9th

Go back to the start of 2015-16 and tally all the points from then to now...

TOT: 324 points
LC: 256 points

The difference is they did a better job capitalizing in 2015-16 and are off to a hot start this year. We've consistently been a far superior team to them.

 

[KEDS]

The simple way to solve the Eriksen issue in January is tell him he's never playing for Spurs again.
He can go wherever he likes, but he's not getting picked and he's not allowed near the training ground.

If he STILL refuses to go then make sure his name isn't in the champions league list for the KO stages and make sure he is kept away.
We're paying him to do f all at the moment. Might as well give his squad space to a player who wants to be at the club.

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Unless he’s a problem in the dressing room, I’m not sure exiling a player is the way to go about things.