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Manager Jose Mourinho

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arteta. he has to work with David Luiz every week it's embarassing they are ahead of us

I have watched the new Woolwich and outside PEA I don't think I would currently take any of there players over ours. Maybe the Spanish RB, but the point is Mikel has already shown the club that he has a vision. He needs some money, but I have seen a clear way he is deploying the team. If he is backed he will do well.

It frustrates me to see no vision from Jose. Nothing has happened, nothing.
 
I have watched the new Woolwich and outside PEA I don't think I would currently take any of there players over ours. Maybe the Spanish RB, but the point is Mikel has already shown the club that he has a vision. He needs some money, but I have seen a clear way he is deploying the team. If he is backed he will do well.

It frustrates me to see no vision from Jose. Nothing has happened, nothing.
Leno is way better than Lloris nowadays to be honest. That Saka kid is really good too. Tierney is miles ahead of Davies as well. The rest are underwhelming to shit. Especially Bellerin, so incredibly overrated. All pace, no skill.
 
That’s the reason why is it? They got rid of Hazard and Courtois because they downed tools and not because they asked to move to a bigger club? Chelsea didn’t want to sell either of them. There’s no factual basis to your post.

The players downed tools on Jose because they stopped believing in his methodology and managerial ability. The same as happens at nearly every club when a manager is sacked. That group of players were no more toxic than any other, they were a high quality group of players who were sick of playing an archaic style in the modern game.

I guess the same happened at Utd too? Wasn’t Jose’s fault, the players downed tools. All of which were players he bought FYI.

The fact they then did the same to ANOTHER manger who had just won the PL by a mile indicates that the squad did indeed have issues with attitude at Chelsea. And Jose's style just won them the PL the season before he was sacked no?

United he seemed to basically want to get sacked at the end because Uniteds board didn't back him. It's a worry it happens here yes. But again he won them two trophies and got them second with a squad that has since struggled to get top 5...
 
Yes because Poch was here for 5 years and it is his team with the exception of 2 players 1 bought 1 on loan would you not agree?

Is that an excuse?

Pochettino had a team that mostly consisted of either Redknapp, Jol or AVB signings - yet got them 2nd place and playing a different style of football completely.
 
The manager is responsible for how we play, no one else, win lose or draw. This includes how we defend and how we attack. IT'S HIS FUCKING JOB! We defended poorly as a collective, it wasn't an isolated individual error, it was the entire defence getting pulled out of shape, this is on the manager.

Only Doherty has more assists from crosses in open play this season, Aurier is literally one of the best crossers from open play, in the league, this is 100% fact! What is also a fact is that crossing is a low % opportunity, this means not many attempted actually result in goals. This concept really shouldn't be difficult to get your head around.

It becomes even harder when it becomes the only attacking phase you have, the oppo know how to stop it, where to position defenders, who to mark and where to stand. There is no other FB to keep an eye on at the back post (to stretch their defence) so they can be nice and compact, it means that Kane now has to beat two CB's and a 'keeper and Aurier needs to beat his oppo LB, Oppo left midfielder and deliver a ball to pick out Harry in a 3-1. The odds of pulling this off become even worse the more predictable it becomes and the lower the % of converting it.

So when Davies just stood there watching when a pass across our six yard box when their attacker was on his own to slit home you’re saying that’s down to José

Really?
 
Yes because Poch was here for 5 years and it is his team with the exception of 2 players 1 bought 1 on loan would you not agree?
Bergwijn wasn't his first choice don't forget.

If I was him I'd have been after someone that played up top too, or one of those holding midfielder things that we actually really needed at the time instead...and of course still do, badly.

£25.6m...thrifty.
 
I love the way that the only defence for Jose now has become Poch was shit. Like there’s any reason to involve Poch in this discussion.

Why is this not relevant?

If we were crap under Poch and Mourinho, and the team has essentially been a sinking ship for 18 months, is another manager really going to solve anything?

I see a team that peaked 3 years ago and has slowly been getting worse ever since. Players who were once considered world class or close to it have seen a poor run of form that in some cases has lasted 2 years.

I look at this squad and I see problems everywhere. No competition for Kane for years now, a massive hole in the middle of our midfield for 2 years, liabilities at fullback for 2+ years, an aging and out of form centre back situation with no real quality waiting in the wings.

I think this team glanced the summit four years ago when we could have pushed Leicester for the title, and since then this group have consistently come up short in big games and have been on a steady decline in the league for the past 3 seasons.

We should have cashed in on Eriksen when we could have, should have cashed in on Toby, should have cashed in on Dier, etc. Squads in modern football are constantly being reshaped and we sat on the same core players for 4 years, and their form has consistently declined to the point where we went from contending to settling in as what looks like a middle of the table club.
 
Davies just isn't starting eleven material. Nor Sissoko, Aurier or Lucas. I don't have a problem with them being on the squad to help out in the last 20 mins, or because of an injury, but we can do much, much better than them.
 
Davies just isn't starting eleven material. Nor Sissoko, Aurier or Lucas. I don't have a problem with them being on the squad to help out in the last 20 mins, or because of an injury, but we can do much, much better than them.

Both fullbacks and our DM options aren't good enough.

You can also argue our centre backs aren't good enough either.

In all seriousness you could argue our back 5 needs to be completely rebuilt to support our attacking players who don't seem to have any interest in defending when they have to.
 
We should have cleared the decks after the CL final but no we rested on our laurels thinking we’d made it but if the majority of us we’re being honest it was good luck and ignorance that got us there we were rubbish in the league before hand only qualifying for the CL by the good fortune United & Woolwich were fully worse and this season things didn’t improve a combination of the manager and a squad past it’s sell by date that did for us we are now going to suffer big time we better just get used to it.
 
Both fullbacks and our DM options aren't good enough.

You can also argue our centre backs aren't good enough either.

In all seriousness you could argue our back 5 needs to be completely rebuilt to support our attacking players who don't seem to have any interest in defending when they have to.
Agree. It's a sad state of affairs but it does need rebuilding and we know there aren't the doubloons available to pay for it.
 
Agree. It's a sad state of affairs but it does need rebuilding and we know there aren't the doubloons available to pay for it.

We need to start selling pieces off to fix what we have at the back.

I'd seriously consider selling Kane and Son this summer. Both are getting "old" and although they represent pretty much all of our offense, this team is never going to be successful letting in so many goals. We need to solve our problems at the back to have any foundation to build on going forward.

Get rid of Dier and Winks while we're at it. Good guys but not talented enough to get us where we want to go.
 
So when Davies just stood there watching when a pass across our six yard box when their attacker was on his own to slit home you’re saying that’s down to José

Really?
If it's one player with one error then it's hard to apportion blame on a manager. But it wasn't one error from one player. When it's multiple players involved then it's the coach. Where's the pressure on the ball higher up the pitch, where are the midfielders not tracking runs, the Davies example is a good one, he didn't a) either go with the man or b) didn't pass him off to Dier (I don't know what Jose does with this regard but every team will have communication about what to do in that event).
 
Leno is way better than Lloris nowadays to be honest. That Saka kid is really good too. Tierney is miles ahead of Davies as well. The rest are underwhelming to shit. Especially Bellerin, so incredibly overrated. All pace, no skill.

Both keepers have their brain farts, Lloris is a better shot stopper IMO still. But yeah, I like Leno in terms of age and they are compatible. Tierney isn’t for me. Saka and the young striker are exciting. When comparing Aurier vs Bellerin I would take the latter. Aurier has a cross, but I just don’t trust him at all. Hector isn’t who I want at all, but when comparing, I would take the more experienced, safer bet.

But the point is that Mikel is doing what Poch did. He has set his style. He is getting rid of sour apples. He is imprinting his identity.

Jose has done this in certain ways, but it is all the negative without the positives. He has been toxic with his public criticism, he is already whining everyday, and it is never his fault.
 
Apologies for a long one, but it merits it.



Firstly, some context - I’ve thought Jose was overrated for a while now. Ever since his last title winning season at Chelsea. Let’s talk why......



System



Football evolves, it always does. Most managers find their methodology outdated at some point. It happened to league winners like Clough and George Graham, it’s happened to exceptional managers like Wenger and Capello, and it has happened to Jose. Only Fergie has been able to adapt systems and tactics over a split of generations as football as modernised.



Jose has done zero of that. His ideal team and style is EXACTLY as it was at Chelsea in 2004.



  • flat back 4
  • Physical
  • 4231
  • Full backs mostly pinned
  • Big man up top
  • Wide forwards


The team selection and tactics have not changed since 2004. He wants exactly the same setup now in spite of football changing. The system (4231) was revolutionary at the time. It caught everyone out and credit to Jose for that. But he is behind the curve tactically now.



Tactics



Jose has never had a clue how to set a team up tactically going forward. Defensively, he’s great. He knows what to do. Attacking wise, he’s always relied on exceptional forward players to produce individual brilliance. His teams are never better attacking wise because of his management, and I’d ask anyone to challenge that.



The modern game and the way the top teams play is so far away from where Jose is at. It is based upon press, winning the ball high and “strangling” the opponents. Jose doesn’t subscribe to that style and never will. There is one top team across all the top leagues playing Jose ball these days (Atletico). That should tell you how archaic his tactics are.



Success



Clearly it’s impossible to attack Jose’s record of trophy success, but some context is needed. He was a failure at Utd. You can talk about his trophies of course, but he was sacked because he was a failure. I firmly believe in getting the right culture into a club and having consistent progression. If we do that trophies will come I’m sure of it. We also don’t have the incredible resources that his last 5 clubs have had. We have a much more restricted budget.



Since Inter, have we really seen him “mastermind” a trophy success or has it all been based upon having superior players?



Aftermath



Every club the bloke has left since the turn of the decade have been left with a path of destruction. Unhappy players, disrupted culture, negative feeling.



When Utd fans are delighted to have a mediocre manager like Ole instead of Jose you need to see why.



He will leave this club in ruins, and unlike Man U who have the power to tell Pogba he isn’t leaving, our top players will be asking for a one way ticket out of here.



Alienating Players



Don’t forget this guy didn’t think KDB, Salah or Lukaku were good enough at Chelsea. He scape goated Pogba and Hazard at times in his recent runs.



Ndombele has struggled for us. He has fitness issues and hasn’t applied himself appropriately by all accounts. But fuck me there’s a hell of a player in there! You can just see him going elsewhere and being a top class player. Instead of trying to figure out how to get the best out of him, he’s scape goating him, like he did Pogba. He always has to blame someone else. Will this happen with Son or Kane next? Don’t put it beyond him.



Further to this, the reason Jose so often falls out with top talented players is because he doesn’t want to play progressive football. I vividly remember the CL semi final Chelsea lost to Atletico, where he blamed Hazard for a bad attitude after. He was effectively asking the man to play full back against a pretty negative team themselves. He gave the game away.



He did the same for us this year against Leipzig. He has no plan other that to frustrate the other side.



Transfers



A lot of people asking for him to be given big money by Levy but I wouldn’t trust him with my pocket change personally. Look at his Utd transfers, they haven’t held up well.



Levy



A lot of people on here blaming Levy for our current predicament. It’s a different conversation for me and one I don’t want to dwell on. But whether you think he’s neglected the squad or not, we should not be getting tactically outsmarted by Sheff U.



I know this guy is all wrong for our club. I know this ends in tears. I just hope the club realise sooner rather that later too. We need to rethink what we’ve done here, and quickly.
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Pointed this out in the match thread. Absolutely brain dead and a waste of time IMO. He saved us against Ajax, but that was one night.
He has his limitations but Jose doesn't play him to his strengths. He also plays him a lot, which is a worry.

I love Lucas to run at teams, no defender likes this. Unfortunately, he's not great at picking out Spurs players, not the best vision when on the ball. But if he was helped by saying where he needs to run to in certain situations he could cause damage by taking players away, this example posted is just one of many.

Ideally, you want him on the end of things, the final pass should be going to him rather than the build-up, he has a great shot on him and finally, he also has a good leap, so if we are to be so one dimensional by relying solely on Aurier crossing from the right then let's have him and Kane in the box occupying a pre-planned space for Aurier to hit.
a) Have him run at oppo - but have someone follow him up to pick up the second ball when he loses possession, at least he's high up the pitch.
b) Utilize his ability to get a shot off in tight spaces around the box and in the area, don't rely on him to link, just get him to shoot.
c) Without the ball coach him to run into a specific channel when we are counter-attacking.

But play Bergwijn ahead of him first.
 
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