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Manager Jose Mourinho
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Which makes the Jose hire all the more strange. I've not been a supporter as long as most here, but it seems obvious we've never been the club to go out and buy whatever the manager wants.
Without doing that, not only am I not confident in Jose to deliver results, but I'm fairly confident he'll burn the club to the ground (figuratively speaking) on his way out if he doesn't get the support he feels entitled to.
I think AVB affected me more because I was in the stadium watching the disaster unfold. Few of the night game in the EL were so boring I was looking up at the stars for around 10-15 mins then looked around and noticed other blokes doing the same.
When he got sacked it was one of the best days of life as a Spurs fan. It’s why I was quite tolerant of Sherwood for a while as the football was a lot more fun.
I think when Jose goes I will be quite happy.
There are three false premisses in what you wrote here (and it was a short comment):
1 - Levy thinks Jose is doing a crap job, or Levy will act if he thinks Jose is doing a crap job. There are simply no elements to suggest this is the case now. In fact, from what we know, they share a very good relationship, with mutual respect, etc. And if you pay attention, even in the worst stories published so far, saying Spurs were looking to sign a new manager and some members of the board wanted Jose gone in the summer, the claim is that Levy was the one holding Jose in the job due to his personal trust in him as a manager. Since that period (after West Ham), we´ve won five and lost one.
2 - Levy´s history with managers. That´s all very well, except for the fact that no other manager in Levy´s history was signed for such a high price - in every sense you want to consider. Jose has obviously the biggest release clause and the biggest salary of them all, but that´s not the only "cost" involved. No manager before Jose was a personal bet made by Levy the way Jose is. No manager before Jose had won everything: Jose was brought to the club after Levy transformed the club and the objective now is to make the transformed club finally win something. If a manager who has won everything is not able to win with this club, it´s bad for the manager - but it´s even worse for the club, as I´m sure Levy knows it.
3 - The stadium. You are presuming that the atmosphere in the stadium will be toxic and there will be many empty seats around it. This is absolutely an speculation. Therefore, not factual. But in any case, let me ask you:
If we are in the quarter-finals or in the semi-finals of the Europa League, 5 or 3 matches away from our first European title in 37 years; you wouldn´t want to be in the stadium because of the "style of football" we play? Or, as an expert in Spurs fans, don´t you think the vast majority of them would want to be there, pushing the team, being a part of it?
Be honest, please.
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Now imaging being in the stadium watching this shit under Jose...
There was always a sense of building something before Jose, every single manager improved the team and the performances.
Today the sense is so much worse than any of the bad bits with each previous manages (worst bits). We are in nothing other than regression. Regression in how we play, our results, our performances. It's not been this bad for 20 odd years!!!
Literally there’s no point of firing him now. Give him the whole season now.
He would have been better off starting Sissoko at RB
Well its terrific you've got us from the last 16, to the quarters and now the semi's of the Europa. The original premise was us not qualifying for the CL, finishing 6th, 7tb, 8th and him remaining in post next season. I don't think there is a chance of that happening. If he did remain then yes i can say the atmosphere would be toxic as it was under George Graham and as it was under AVB.
As for the payoff, we have no idea of clauses in his contract and even if none (which i doubt) its a drop in the ocean compared to the effects that could have on season ticket sales, sponsorship and depreciation of player values. The fact is 'he'll cost to much to sack' is a defence of getting rid of him is pretty damning.
I can only speak for myself but if he stayed i wouldn't bother going again until he was sacked. I just don't find it enjoyable and the results don't justify clinging on to him in the vague hope things might improve because vague hope is all you've got. There is zero evidence in 16 months to date he can turn it around.
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What do the First team Coaching Team do? well we have a GK coach which I understand, Ledley coaches the defence which I assume includes other team players for Set pieces but what does Sacramento do? If we have a defensive coach why not an attacking coach? It is not all Mourinho although the buck stops with him and he can overrule others decisions. As frequently the whole coaching staff go on a Manager's sacking it is important they all contribute.
Not sure how often Mourinho actually joins in the Coaching sessions although that is not a problem if whoever is in charge is good. How good is Sacramento? I thought he had a good reputation but if he wants to use this as a stepping stone he needs the team to be successful.
Both Harry and Poch had their Coaching team that came with them and went when they did. They clearly valued them but I had no idea if they actually improved the team.
Not sure how often Mourinho actually joins in the Coaching sessions although that is not a problem if whoever is in charge is good. How good is Sacramento? I thought he had a good reputation but if he wants to use this as a stepping stone he needs the team to be successful.
Both Harry and Poch had their Coaching team that came with them and went when they did. They clearly valued them but I had no idea if they actually improved the team.
Just on this point, I remember the last home game before the Lockdown in the FA Cup against Norwich when we lost on pens. I didn't think the atmosphere was great, it was also the same night that Dier climbed into the stands and decided to take on the crowd. Proper West Ham esque that.
Good point, I must say.
This is absolutely true but I pray either a jammy League Cup win or a Europa League win with inconsistent domestic performances doesn't fool Levy into keeping him beyond the summer.
Should we resume this conversation after tomorrow?
Poch got sacked for it so someone thought it was his fault. Think the squad is getting a bit old in some places
How negative
Of course we have a chance
Shitty are quite rightly favourites but it’s not a foregone conclusion
Football isn’t like that
I assume you will not be watching the final then? If there is literally 0% chance of us winning.
Lets forget about our recent history of beating a City team who are better than us. multiple times. Including twice under Mourinho.
Your hatred for Mourinho is going to stop you looking forward to a cup final and it's not like those come around often for this club. Cheer up.
It is when it comes to spurs
These players don't have the stomach for the biggest matches
Been proven time and time again
And nothing that I have seen from Mourinho gives me even the tiniest bit of faith that he is resolving that
It's the last 16 2nd leg - what do you expect?
Maybe the end of the season would be best. I dont doubt we'll go through tomorrow.