I don't.
I just have to laugh at the outrage of UEFA, domestic leagues and especially teams like Bayern, who steal and tamper with players from their own domestic leagues and create a huge financial and competitive imbalance.
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I just have to laugh at the outrage of UEFA, domestic leagues and especially teams like Bayern, who steal and tamper with players from their own domestic leagues and create a huge financial and competitive imbalance.
But you did vote your support for it
I did that about an hour ago just for laughs. I wanted to be part of the minority sammy spurs style!
Funny, I thought the same about the consortium's attempt to buy Newcastle. These are smart business people, I thought. They'll have foreseen the challenges about piracy and controlling persons, said I.
And the PL won't stop this, they'll want the money. Boy, was I wrong.
Even smart business people get things wrong.
Also, the players won't choose the PL because of the meritocracy, but they might choose Everton over Woolwich because they want to play in the World Cup, or they want to win the FA Cup, or the Ballon D'Or, or break Shearer's record. They might choose Atalanta or Lazio over AC Milan because who cares about finishing 7th in the ESL, when they could actually win something prestigious like Serie A?
Some will chase the money, because they did that for a while in China.
You lot know Harry Kane better than I will, is he the kind of player that puts lots of money over trophies and medals (and still a lot of money)? Is Son?
Assuming this goes through, I see the problem for UEFA but if everyone calms down a bit and looks closer, does it not actually benefit smaller clubs ?
Domestic success will still be required due to the money league placing generate, so the Premier League is not compromised. The bigger clubs won’t need to qualify for the top 4 but all of them will want the title and domestic cups in exactly the same way.
The highest placed Premier League teams not in the ESL get a shot at the “Champions League”, a chance they usually won’t get - more revenue, More money, stronger teams.....
maybe I am misunderstanding how this will evolve and they are secretly planning to kill the premier league too, but if that’s not the aim how is anyone outside of UEFA really compromised ? The romantic notion that one day any club can win is nice, but even Leicester won purely through cheating FFP and financial doping.
Domestic success will still be required due to the money league placing generate, so the Premier League is not compromised. The bigger clubs won’t need to qualify for the top 4 but all of them will want the title and domestic cups in exactly the same way.
The highest placed Premier League teams not in the ESL get a shot at the “Champions League”, a chance they usually won’t get - more revenue, More money, stronger teams.....
maybe I am misunderstanding how this will evolve and they are secretly planning to kill the premier league too, but if that’s not the aim how is anyone outside of UEFA really compromised ? The romantic notion that one day any club can win is nice, but even Leicester won purely through cheating FFP and financial doping.
Let's be real. These teams aren't getting kicked out of their domestic leagues. The rest of the teams would hugely suffer financially to the point where the pay gap would be too large.
Very small chance UEFA ends up kicking the players out of international competitions either as they would just be hurting themselves.
Dreams can't be buy.
Revenue streams for smaller clubs from CL, EL, EFL Cup get cut off.
That’s the way the big clubs are going to suddenly generate more revenue. JP Morgan aren’t a charity.
There will be no integrity in the EPL if the “six” traitors are still allowed to play in it.....winning the premier league will most likely be one of the 6 (ok 5 in all reality) and the other 5 should easily make up the top 8 you would think, therefore If the Champions league is still a thing and they still admit 4 teams from England, you could see Primer leagues 4th, 8th, 9th & 10th placed teams enter the CL in theory, You could finish as low as 12th and get into Europe....12th in a 20 team league WTF!!....
Are teams that are in with a chance of qualifying for the SL playoffs going to give a fuck about the premier league if they can’t win it at some point in the season? It’s going to be second string teams turning up like the League cup and FA cup, eventually devaluing the Premier league...
This thing is a mess, and there is a reason why so many qualify for the playoffs (half the teams) just to keep it interesting for as long as possible so no one loses focus....
Are teams that are in with a chance of qualifying for the SL playoffs going to give a fuck about the premier league if they can’t win it at some point in the season? It’s going to be second string teams turning up like the League cup and FA cup, eventually devaluing the Premier league...
This thing is a mess, and there is a reason why so many qualify for the playoffs (half the teams) just to keep it interesting for as long as possible so no one loses focus....
They do get things wrong and there will be negative consequences for the clubs, but this is a long-game and in the end they will win out.
My general point is that this likely wasn't a decision made in haste, but maybe it was set into motion a little quicker than they wanted it to be. They probably mapped out every worst-case scenario and made the calculated decision that it was still worth the risk. In the end, they have the trump card with their combined revenues, size of fan base, and worldwide appeal. With a few of the holdouts, they effectively are the game now.
There will be players that will choose Atalanta over AC Milan, but my guess is that the vast majority of those players will not do so not for pure sporting reasons. Maybe they will do it for game time or other reasons, but the biggest players will be attracted to the ESL for highest wages and biggest prestige/visibility.
This will likely become THE league, and for the same reasons that the high caliber of players want and are attracted to CL, the same will happen here.
They will be kicked out before the ink dries on their ESL contract.
This is UEFA+FAs opportunity to rid themselves of the some of the big clubs while feigning moral superiority and utilizing public outrage to hide their own failings.
Kicking out the players from NT games will be even easier as players dont have the leverage that the clubs do.
Do you think their sponsors and TV contract networks are going to let them kick out all of their biggest draws?
International is the only hope for that and I doubt it.
Whilst I don’t agree with setting up the ESL, I am not accepting UEFA taking the moral high ground.
They’re not morally outraged at this. They just worried about losing money.
They’re not morally outraged at this. They just worried about losing money.
Looks like Bayern is pretty firm in not joining the ESL. I have to wonde if Dortmund will be tempted by the money, which could make them real challengers to Bayern in the BL.
Commenting on the plans to introduce a European Super League, FC Bayern München CEO Karl-Heinz Rummenigge said: "FC Bayern has not been involved in the plans for creating a Super League. We are convinced that the current structure in football guarantees a reliable foundation. FC Bayern welcomes the reforms of the Champions League because we believe they are the right step to take for the development of European football. The modified group stage will contribute to an increase in excitement and the emotional experience in the competition."
Commenting on the plans to introduce a European Super League, FC Bayern München CEO Karl-Heinz Rummenigge said: "FC Bayern has not been involved in the plans for creating a Super League. We are convinced that the current structure in football guarantees a reliable foundation. FC Bayern welcomes the reforms of the Champions League because we believe they are the right step to take for the development of European football. The modified group stage will contribute to an increase in excitement and the emotional experience in the competition."
You're right, and I'm sorry.
At the end of the day, though, yes...they don't care. TV brings the money, and they'll cater to that. Away-days will likely be a thing of the past, doubt they'll even preserve the requirement that you allow X% for away fans. Has been going that way for decades, anyone capable of being shocked today was just fooling themselves.
Who has the power in basketball, FIBA or the NBA? Who has the power in hockey, the IIHF or the NHL? ESL will eventually fully secede, I'm sure, and there will be them and everyone else.
UEFA and FIFA did this...they were fine with the money killing football, with the corruption, so long as they got their hand in the pot. Now they're crying foul because they're being cut out. Hypocrites.
All this is about one thing and one thing only and that's money. Whether UEFA or esl. Not one of them give a fuck about fans. Like I have said now top level football can go fuck itself. Until there is change I'll be following enfield and orient. The most beautiful game destroyed by money.
What does FIFA gain by kicking the players out of the WC?
They risk the players say ok fuck you and losing millions in advertising and TV money.
It is a different sport and not nearly as big as the World Cup but when the NHL went head to head with the Olympics and pulled their professionals, the Olympics were the ones who lost out. Fans didn't care to watch the shit replacement players and the hockey portion was irrelevant.
Like I said the WC is obviously much bigger than Olympic hockey but the point remains the same people are rarely interested in watching 2nd or 3rd rate players. It is the best players in the world that attract the fans.
They risk the players say ok fuck you and losing millions in advertising and TV money.
It is a different sport and not nearly as big as the World Cup but when the NHL went head to head with the Olympics and pulled their professionals, the Olympics were the ones who lost out. Fans didn't care to watch the shit replacement players and the hockey portion was irrelevant.
Like I said the WC is obviously much bigger than Olympic hockey but the point remains the same people are rarely interested in watching 2nd or 3rd rate players. It is the best players in the world that attract the fans.