He's got a bit of a point...
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Will the other PL clubs vote to expel the so-called Big 6 from the PL? Are 14 votes enough or do they require more?
If not then what's the point in holding a meeting without the Sinister Six?
If not then what's the point in holding a meeting without the Sinister Six?
Again, what prestige? It's a nothing league, only being marketed as elite because the founders are declaring it thus. The same founders who're only considered elite because of their success in the... leagues that they're now wanting to break away from. It's got no history, no prestige, no peril, nothing. If Barcelona win the first one, who gives a shiny shit? If Man City win it three years on the trot, who cares? Nobody gets relegated, any new teams have no say in how it's run and get less of the pie for winning the whole thing than the originals get simply for existing in it. It's built on not being competitive, how's that prestigious?
At least when Division 1 became the Premier League it wasn't a closed shop, it remains broadly a meritocracy even if decades of money flowing into the top clubs have imbalanced it. There is a possibility, however slim, that Norwich could get into the 22/23 Champions League, this ESL would only invite teams that would fatten the coffers further. Not based on how good the team is, but how many viewers would tune in to watch them. My club, Newcastle, could well get an invite because we get a lot of viewers, more than Southampton, or Brighton. Is that right, or proper? Is that prestigious?
That sounds pretty nice right now but will mean nothing once they figure out how to get around the 50+1% issue.
It is possible that the 3 teams (Bayern, PSG, Dortmund/RB) are the only 3 big clubs that seem to have the "morals" to stand up to them, but also are the clubs with reasons why they can't immediately join.
I would be a little hesitant to claim that those teams are staying out because they don't believe in it or are against the league.
FIFA bans the ESL players and the very next day JP Morgan will announce the World Football Trophy
or some shit with the best from each nation facing off for the glory of the flag every summer, sponsored by Nike and Coca Cola. And FIFA will end up being run out of a caravan parked outside West Ham's athletics track.
To make themselves feel better about this, to make them and/or their fans feel like they are doing something.
They haven't got the bottle to kick out the ESL clubs. They'll cave in to the big 6 probably for a financial settlement that suits them.
This is all true. Basically football to many purists has now died. Nobody apart from german clubs are really for the fans.
Exaclty.
If these same teams set up this exact league and told UEFA they would get their cut, UEFA would be claiming this is the greatest thing to happen to football in 100 years.
UEFA isn't doing this because they want to "save football" or care about anyone, they just are pissed that they can't line their personal pockets. They could give a fuck about their members or fans.
You coin the odd piece of beautiful phraseology BC.
It's just sabre-rattling then, got ya!
This has been on the cards for 20-30 years, if it happened ten years ago we wouldn't have been in it. UEFA started this the day they allowed league runners-up into their 'Champions' League. Their proposals are bollocks as well. FIFA are probably the most corrupt sporting body in the world. The PL is based on greed as well.
Their defence seems to be "we know we're evil as well but these guys are REALLY Evil!"
I mean, this is basically UEFA's proposed CL amendments without UEFA, isn't it? That's the irony of it. UEFA was about to do basically this exact same thing and market it as the savior of football...but since they don't get a cut now its treason of the highest order.
Again, I feel bad for the fans. Fuck UEFA and FIFA, seeing them collapse is the only good that will come from this.
The more I read, the more I realize the owners of these teams want to operate like American sports clubs. The owners have the power and don't really answer to a governing body over here. Eliminating relegation means guaranteed revenues forever. I can certainly see both sides of this argument.
Difference is, the NHL is the biggest show in town by a huge margin. If the World Cup went without the players from the ESL, you'd still have some of the world's best players showing what they can do. Mbappe, Haaland, Jonjo Shelvey. All the players from the domestic leagues who aren't in this greed league.
I cannot fathom any supporter of football thinking this is anything but an embarrassment to the sport. I could see it from 'fans' who picked their team like you'd choose an apple. People with no link to the community, no link to the history, people who'd choose another club if the mood struck. But actual supporters of their club must see that this will be bad for it, in the long run.
Microcosm of Democratic Capitalism, really. Megabillionaires deciding they're not going to be dictated to by civil servants appointed by the peasantry anymore.
Both sides? Who gives a fuck about the multi multi millionare owners side of the story. Theyre ruining football end of. Fuck their side
I am sure it is more than Sabre rattling but at the end of the day what are they going to do?
A PL without the big 6 gets maybe half as much in TV deals, maybe half as much advertising. They will lose massive amounts of money if they kick them out. It makes zero sense to do it.
People are emotional about it and that includes the FA and PL teams, but when they realize that this is a replacement for the CL and that the PL will likely end up making more as there will be increased interest in the big 6 teams and more money to squeeze out of TV contracts, they should be fine with welcoming them back.
What is there biggest concern? That teams like United, Chelsea, City will have more money than them? They already do. That teams like Liverpool, Spurs, Woolwich will get to play in Europe more than them? They already do.
I'm not sure how I feel about the ESL, but as an example do you think Sunderland supporters would think the PL not having relegation would have been better for their club, seeing where they are now?
