I think you're exaggerating there...the universe will still be around long after the Earth is a burnt cinder...
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I have zero reason to think that it wasn't in large part do to him or that he would do any better coming to a similar situation with us.
Up to the DOF and coach to tell him to fuck off
Levy is in a very weak position and they probably know it
So what are you saying here - that you don't know or don't care to know? Was our decline at the end under Poch in large part to do with him or failings on the Clubs part?
I am saying that there is lots of evidence that it had to do with Fonseca and his poor set up and managerial decisions.
We don't have all the facts of what went on behind the scenes and maybe Fonseca was some how the victim of some terrible conspiracy against him that made him look bad, although odd that the same thing must have happened at Porto with him as well.
All we have to go on is what is right in front of us and that is that he wasn't close to good enough. There is no reason to start trying to come up with excuses for him with no evidence or reason behind it.
I would also say that there is no way we should be getting a manager when we have to think that maybe his poor performances we due to a shit situation. We are a big enough club that we can get a manager in which there is no doubt about his ability, in which his results speak for themselves. The fact that we have to debate about maybe his poor results weren't all his fault should immediately exclude him from the hiring process. We should have much higher standards.
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As for Poch the failings at the end of his reign were clearly due to the club. We had seen he could get great results, Fonseca never showed that he could get those results at Roma. He was always getting worse results than those who were there before him.
You referred to this?
Players and coaches deliver their opinions on Tottenham target Paulo Fonseca
Tottenham Hotspur are close to appointing a new head coach in Paulo Fonseca but what have others said about the former Roma boss?
www.football.london
Many of which are piece of random interview and get polished to sound as positive.
"Claudio Ranieri on his successor at Roma
"It seems to me that Fonseca is doing a good job, he is a very intelligent coach who has understood the difficulties of the team and now they take fewer filter balls.
"His philosophy is coming through, from what I read the players are happy so I think it was a positive choice and I'm convinced that AS Roma will have a very good season.""
That very good season didn't happen.
"Aleksandar Kolarov on the Portuguese
"What do I like about Fonseca? His idea of football, how he interprets the game, how he explains how we should play and his determination.""
Yet he left to join Inter. If he's buying the plan, why did he leave?
"Roma midfielder Lorenzo Pellegrini who at 24 was often captain under Fonseca
"Balance sheets are drawn up at the end, Roma haven't dropped out of the Europa League yet, even if it will be difficult to overturn it in the return leg [against Manchester United].
"We'll have to wait until next Thursday to take stock. The coach has made, or rather is making, a path thanks to which Roma is improving day by day. He'll get some criticism, as we did, after a performance like that and it's only right that he should.""
With context, it's just a damage control act after getting spanked by Man U. How is it anything even considered positive?
It's similar theme throughout: Players doing the damage control in the public. Players saying nice thing because they're in their comfortable zone with nothing to lose. Players/managers being diplomatic but their action/how reality had played out, speak otherwise...
That is a thread full of some terrible points.
I would say that he has to focus on accomplishments at tiny clubs and lower leagues and ignore the time he spent at clubs closer to our size is a good example of why we should not want him here.
And by fuck you will debate it.
We just tried a 1 year project and failed miserably. Probably set ourselves back years. 5 year projects are more sustainable and have a higher likelihood of success for any club like us that isn’t a bottomless money pit.
Twitter bots could make a thread with 300 tweet saying “how Mourinho wasn’t that bad at spurs” or “tactics Tim a revolutionary and visionary of English football: a thread” oh for fuck sake.
Isn't that kind of the point of a message board?
Imagine having the defenders we have, not being too keen on spending and hiring a manager that usually concedes a shit ton of goals every season. We totally lost the plot.