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The outcome on Spurs best chance yesterday seems to sum of that game and current state of that club rather well. Reggie clear on goal on the left via essentially a 2 v 1 and Rudiger doesn't even attempt to defend the LB. Take the opportunity presented, pick a corner and shoot the ball. Instead he wants absolutely nothing to do w/ the scoring opportunity and makes a meek pass that is easily intercepted. I know he's a LB and isn't expected to score, but it seems to sum up the toothless Spurs these days where the players seem to want nothing to do w/ these big moments. I'm no fan of Nuno he clearly seems to be a bad fit at the club, but seems like these players that are making ridiculous wages need to start justifying the investment.
 
"Ah but it was Chelsea and they're a better team than us"

So we don't need to try against Leicester, Man Ure, Liverpool then?

We'd better give City their 3 points back too.
No it means we can try but we will most likely fail against the top teams. We have a 7th best squad and we will end up somewhere near it.
 

This is a good representation of what I saw. Really should have the melters read this, dipped into a couple of the player threads, the usual people going in on the usual suspects, whilst having what would be absolutely zero appreciation of the roles being carried out. (they will not read this because it breaks down what actually happens during a football match, best scream and shout at the moon because that makes more sense.




Cox: How Nuno’s tactics created space against Chelsea’s 3-4-3 before Tuchel fixed the problem​


Chelsea, Tottenham

By Michael Cox 4h ago
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Chelsea’s 3-0 victory over Tottenham on Sunday afternoon was a rare match where both managers should emerge from the game with credit. Nuno Espirito Santo’s starting approach caused Chelsea problems and allowed Spurs to dominate the opening proceedings, but Thomas Tuchel’s change of system stabilised the away side and helped them dominate the second half.
Tottenham fans can be cheered by two parts of Nuno’s approach.
First, it was novel and intelligent. Rather than using Harry Kane through the middle against Thiago Silva, Nuno played him in an unusual inside-left role. Spurs attempted to play long balls downfield towards him, probably suspecting he could dominate Andreas Christensen more than Silva. The Brazilian centre-back was instead targeted with Son Heung-min’s pace. The 36-year-old coped well but Son’s movement was dangerous.
Giovani Lo Celso, meanwhile, played on the right, attempting to drag Antonio Rudiger out of position. It was, for a start, a big improvement over the static diamond Nuno deployed last weekend in a 3-0 loss to Crystal Palace, a system that could have been replicated with this weekend’s starting XI.
Second, Spurs were positive. In the opening half-hour, they used an approach that was more Mauricio Pochettino than Jose Mourinho, pressing high and constantly winning the ball inside the Chelsea half. Here’s an example of how the forwards pressed Chelsea’s centre-backs, with Dele Alli and Tanguy Ndombele pushing up to shut down Jorginho and Mateo Kovacic.
A1-3.png

And although Chelsea’s out-ball was to the wing-backs, Spurs were occasionally brave enough to close them down, too.
A2-1.png

Pressing energetically in the opening stages is one thing, but causing Chelsea problems in possession is another. Spurs did this effectively, largely because they exploited the space around Chelsea’s two-man midfield. Tuchel usually wants to defend in a 5-2-3 system, which has worked excellently but encountered some problems here.
The first problem was Kane’s movement. Although he remains goalless this season and found himself positioned deep here, this was effective in opening up Chelsea. He would often make this movement, towards the ball from that inside-left position, which dragged Jorginho up the pitch to shut him down, desperate to prevent him from turning.
B1-2.png

This created Spurs’ first good opportunity. Kane received a ball from Sergio Reguilon and attracted Jorginho, took the ball backwards and then laid it back to his defence.
C1-2.png

That meant Jorginho found himself way out of position, and Dele was free to receive a forward pass from Eric Dier. The responsibility for closing down Dele then fell to Christensen, who was too far away to make a tackle here and found himself bypassed.
D1-2.png

Dele knocked the ball into Son, who turned Silva impressively. And then, because Jorginho has gone haring up the pitch to follow Kane, and because Christensen has abandoned his position to close down Dele, Chelsea are entirely exposed down the near side. Reguilon is free to sprint into space, and should have done better with his final ball — a properly weighted pass would have meant a tap-in for Lo Celso. This all stemmed from Kane’s movement deep.
D2-2.png
D3-2.png

Chelsea’s second problem was the pockets on either side of Kovacic and Jorginho. Here’s an example of Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg being able to poke a simple pass through to Ndombele, receiving the ball in precisely the position he likes and on the turn.
E1-2.png

That came when Chelsea’s midfielders were side by side, but it wasn’t unusual to see them on the same vertical line after one had gone chasing the ball higher up. Here’s an example of that, offering Chelsea’s centre-backs little protection.
E2-2.png

And Tottenham’s second golden opportunity stemmed from this problem.
Lo Celso has dropped inside to help overload Chelsea’s two central midfielders, with Jorginho almost directly ahead of Kovacic here. This leaves Ndombele unmarked for an easy pass, and with Lo Celso having wandered elsewhere, Rudiger considers it his job to step out and shut down Ndombele.
F1-2-e1632138187472.png

But Ndombele has an easy pass to Lo Celso, penetrating Chelsea’s midfield, and Son can arc his run into the space vacated by Rudiger.
F2-2.png

Lo Celso slips in Son, who takes the ball in his stride nicely, but a combination of Kepa Arrizabalaga and Marcos Alonso squeeze him out, and he can’t generate a shot of any real power.
F3.png
 
Had to split post into two as too many images.

Cont...................

As the physios attended to Son and Kepa after that collision, Azpilicueta came over to talk to Tuchel, perhaps discussing a change of system. And when play restarts, Mason Mount has now altered his position — having previously been part of the front three, he’s now part of a midfield trio, with Jorginho in the holding role and Kovacic becoming a No 8. Chelsea have moved from 3-4-3 to 3-5-2 in possession, or 5-2-3 to 5-3-2 out of possession.
G2-2.png

This immediately helped Chelsea cope with those two aforementioned problems. Here, Kane is again looking to drop deep, but there’s no need for Christensen or Jorginho to follow him because Mount is blocking any potential pass.
H1-2.png

Similarly, Chelsea had fewer problems against Spurs’ actual midfielders. Here, Mount indicates that he’s concentrating on tracking Dele, and although Ndombele has time on the ball here, at least the space is in front of Chelsea’s midfield, rather than in behind it.
H2-2.png

Mount had been asked to shift into a role he was less comfortable in, so Tuchel decided it was worthwhile introducing N’Golo Kante in his place.
Kante immediately got to work, winning a tackle inside the Tottenham half within 30 seconds.
J1-1.png

Now, Chelsea were competing properly in midfield and started to get the upper hand. Here’s a three against three in that zone, with Hojbjerg unable to get up the pitch quickly enough to shut down Jorginho, and Kante sneaking in behind Dele to receive the ball between the lines. This was the attack that ended with Chelsea winning a corner, from which Silva headed home the opener.
K1.png

And now it was Chelsea finding space on either side of Tottenham’s midfield. For their second goal, Kante, Jorginho and Kovacic worked the ball across the midfield neatly…
L1.png

…and the attack ended with Kante finding oceans of space. Dier, highlighted, knows someone has to shut him down — but it’s Dier who ends up deflecting the ball past his own goalkeeper, effectively ending the contest.
But Tottenham did cause Chelsea serious problems in the first half here, particularly in those zones on either side of Jorginho and Kovacic.
Tuchel fixed the problem with a change of system, but with his wealth of attacking options, he’ll be reluctant to be forced into a 5-3-2 every week. Opponents have spent much of 2021 wondering precisely where you find space against Tuchel’s 3-4-3. Tottenham might have found the answer.
 

This is a good representation of what I saw. Really should have the melters read this, dipped into a couple of the player threads, the usual people going in on the usual suspects, whilst having what would be absolutely zero appreciation of the roles being carried out. (they will not read this because it breaks down what actually happens during a football match, best scream and shout at the moon because that makes more sense.​


Cox: How Nuno’s tactics created space against Chelsea’s 3-4-3 before Tuchel fixed the problem​

Chelsea, Tottenham

By Michael Cox 4h ago
comment-icon.png
46
save-icon.png

Chelsea’s 3-0 victory over Tottenham on Sunday afternoon was a rare match where both managers should emerge from the game with credit. Nuno Espirito Santo’s starting approach caused Chelsea problems and allowed Spurs to dominate the opening proceedings, but Thomas Tuchel’s change of system stabilised the away side and helped them dominate the second half.
Tottenham fans can be cheered by two parts of Nuno’s approach.
First, it was novel and intelligent. Rather than using Harry Kane through the middle against Thiago Silva, Nuno played him in an unusual inside-left role. Spurs attempted to play long balls downfield towards him, probably suspecting he could dominate Andreas Christensen more than Silva. The Brazilian centre-back was instead targeted with Son Heung-min’s pace. The 36-year-old coped well but Son’s movement was dangerous.
Giovani Lo Celso, meanwhile, played on the right, attempting to drag Antonio Rudiger out of position. It was, for a start, a big improvement over the static diamond Nuno deployed last weekend in a 3-0 loss to Crystal Palace, a system that could have been replicated with this weekend’s starting XI.
Second, Spurs were positive. In the opening half-hour, they used an approach that was more Mauricio Pochettino than Jose Mourinho, pressing high and constantly winning the ball inside the Chelsea half. Here’s an example of how the forwards pressed Chelsea’s centre-backs, with Dele Alli and Tanguy Ndombele pushing up to shut down Jorginho and Mateo Kovacic.
A1-3.png

And although Chelsea’s out-ball was to the wing-backs, Spurs were occasionally brave enough to close them down, too.
A2-1.png

Pressing energetically in the opening stages is one thing, but causing Chelsea problems in possession is another. Spurs did this effectively, largely because they exploited the space around Chelsea’s two-man midfield. Tuchel usually wants to defend in a 5-2-3 system, which has worked excellently but encountered some problems here.
The first problem was Kane’s movement. Although he remains goalless this season and found himself positioned deep here, this was effective in opening up Chelsea. He would often make this movement, towards the ball from that inside-left position, which dragged Jorginho up the pitch to shut him down, desperate to prevent him from turning.
B1-2.png

This created Spurs’ first good opportunity. Kane received a ball from Sergio Reguilon and attracted Jorginho, took the ball backwards and then laid it back to his defence.
C1-2.png

That meant Jorginho found himself way out of position, and Dele was free to receive a forward pass from Eric Dier. The responsibility for closing down Dele then fell to Christensen, who was too far away to make a tackle here and found himself bypassed.
D1-2.png

Dele knocked the ball into Son, who turned Silva impressively. And then, because Jorginho has gone haring up the pitch to follow Kane, and because Christensen has abandoned his position to close down Dele, Chelsea are entirely exposed down the near side. Reguilon is free to sprint into space, and should have done better with his final ball — a properly weighted pass would have meant a tap-in for Lo Celso. This all stemmed from Kane’s movement deep.
D2-2.png
D3-2.png

Chelsea’s second problem was the pockets on either side of Kovacic and Jorginho. Here’s an example of Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg being able to poke a simple pass through to Ndombele, receiving the ball in precisely the position he likes and on the turn.
E1-2.png

That came when Chelsea’s midfielders were side by side, but it wasn’t unusual to see them on the same vertical line after one had gone chasing the ball higher up. Here’s an example of that, offering Chelsea’s centre-backs little protection.
E2-2.png

And Tottenham’s second golden opportunity stemmed from this problem.
Lo Celso has dropped inside to help overload Chelsea’s two central midfielders, with Jorginho almost directly ahead of Kovacic here. This leaves Ndombele unmarked for an easy pass, and with Lo Celso having wandered elsewhere, Rudiger considers it his job to step out and shut down Ndombele.
F1-2-e1632138187472.png

But Ndombele has an easy pass to Lo Celso, penetrating Chelsea’s midfield, and Son can arc his run into the space vacated by Rudiger.
F2-2.png

Lo Celso slips in Son, who takes the ball in his stride nicely, but a combination of Kepa Arrizabalaga and Marcos Alonso squeeze him out, and he can’t generate a shot of any real power.
F3.png

The only stat that matters is the scoreline.

We lost 3 nil.
 
The only stat that matters is the scoreline.

We lost 3 nil.
No one is talking about stats. It's about assessing the performance.

We've just played the best team in the World, if someone disagrees with that I would love to know who they think is better and why.

That first half was not only the best half of football we've played in (at a guess) 2.5 seasons it was also probably Chelsea's most difficult have they've had to play since Tuchel has taken charge. It was in the context of where we are great.

Before kick-off the expectation is that we were getting dry-humped, that first half we put Chavs in a place they haven't been before and we did it by playing a style of football that none of us expected to see under Nuno.

If we replicate that half in all our games this season then we take points from 80% of the teams in the league.
 
What big chances?

We played better than we had but still created nothing and were the 2nd best team in that half.
The Reguilon missed cross and the Son shot that Kepa blocked (he was onside if you freeze frame it). And we were better than Chelsea the first half even if it was more even the last 15 minutes.
 
No one is talking about stats. It's about assessing the performance.

We've just played the best team in the World, if someone disagrees with that I would love to know who they think is better and why.

That first half was not only the best half of football we've played in (at a guess) 2.5 seasons it was also probably Chelsea's most difficult have they've had to play since Tuchel has taken charge. It was in the context of where we are great.

Before kick-off the expectation is that we were getting dry-humped, that first half we put Chavs in a place they haven't been before and we did it by playing a style of football that none of us expected to see under Nuno.

If we replicate that half in all our games this season then we take points from 80% of the teams in the league.
Oh sorry let me rephrase.

The performance doesn't matter, the scoreline does. we lost 3 nil.
 
Had to split post into two as too many images.

Cont...................

As the physios attended to Son and Kepa after that collision, Azpilicueta came over to talk to Tuchel, perhaps discussing a change of system. And when play restarts, Mason Mount has now altered his position — having previously been part of the front three, he’s now part of a midfield trio, with Jorginho in the holding role and Kovacic becoming a No 8. Chelsea have moved from 3-4-3 to 3-5-2 in possession, or 5-2-3 to 5-3-2 out of possession.
G2-2.png

This immediately helped Chelsea cope with those two aforementioned problems. Here, Kane is again looking to drop deep, but there’s no need for Christensen or Jorginho to follow him because Mount is blocking any potential pass.
H1-2.png

Similarly, Chelsea had fewer problems against Spurs’ actual midfielders. Here, Mount indicates that he’s concentrating on tracking Dele, and although Ndombele has time on the ball here, at least the space is in front of Chelsea’s midfield, rather than in behind it.
H2-2.png

Mount had been asked to shift into a role he was less comfortable in, so Tuchel decided it was worthwhile introducing N’Golo Kante in his place.
Kante immediately got to work, winning a tackle inside the Tottenham half within 30 seconds.
J1-1.png

Now, Chelsea were competing properly in midfield and started to get the upper hand. Here’s a three against three in that zone, with Hojbjerg unable to get up the pitch quickly enough to shut down Jorginho, and Kante sneaking in behind Dele to receive the ball between the lines. This was the attack that ended with Chelsea winning a corner, from which Silva headed home the opener.
K1.png

And now it was Chelsea finding space on either side of Tottenham’s midfield. For their second goal, Kante, Jorginho and Kovacic worked the ball across the midfield neatly…
L1.png

…and the attack ended with Kante finding oceans of space. Dier, highlighted, knows someone has to shut him down — but it’s Dier who ends up deflecting the ball past his own goalkeeper, effectively ending the contest.
But Tottenham did cause Chelsea serious problems in the first half here, particularly in those zones on either side of Jorginho and Kovacic.
Tuchel fixed the problem with a change of system, but with his wealth of attacking options, he’ll be reluctant to be forced into a 5-3-2 every week. Opponents have spent much of 2021 wondering precisely where you find space against Tuchel’s 3-4-3. Tottenham might have found the answer.
Very interesting - thank you for posting. Makes me feel a bit better. It’s a shame we didn’t have a plan B after Tuchel made his changes.
I’d love to be able to read a game of football like that though.
 
The Reguilon missed cross and the Son shot that Kepa blocked (he was onside if you freeze frame it). And we were better than Chelsea the first half even if it was more even the last 15 minutes.

I didn't think Son had much of a chance on that play, and it looked offside on many replays but I didn't freeze it.

The Reguilon chance was decent although I think Chelsea had a few equally good chances if we are counting that one.

I don't think we were better than Chelsea at all, I think us being not so bad as we have been skews what really happened in that first half.
 
Had to split post into two as too many images.

Cont...................

As the physios attended to Son and Kepa after that collision, Azpilicueta came over to talk to Tuchel, perhaps discussing a change of system. And when play restarts, Mason Mount has now altered his position — having previously been part of the front three, he’s now part of a midfield trio, with Jorginho in the holding role and Kovacic becoming a No 8. Chelsea have moved from 3-4-3 to 3-5-2 in possession, or 5-2-3 to 5-3-2 out of possession.
G2-2.png

This immediately helped Chelsea cope with those two aforementioned problems. Here, Kane is again looking to drop deep, but there’s no need for Christensen or Jorginho to follow him because Mount is blocking any potential pass.
H1-2.png

Similarly, Chelsea had fewer problems against Spurs’ actual midfielders. Here, Mount indicates that he’s concentrating on tracking Dele, and although Ndombele has time on the ball here, at least the space is in front of Chelsea’s midfield, rather than in behind it.
H2-2.png

Mount had been asked to shift into a role he was less comfortable in, so Tuchel decided it was worthwhile introducing N’Golo Kante in his place.
Kante immediately got to work, winning a tackle inside the Tottenham half within 30 seconds.
J1-1.png

Now, Chelsea were competing properly in midfield and started to get the upper hand. Here’s a three against three in that zone, with Hojbjerg unable to get up the pitch quickly enough to shut down Jorginho, and Kante sneaking in behind Dele to receive the ball between the lines. This was the attack that ended with Chelsea winning a corner, from which Silva headed home the opener.
K1.png

And now it was Chelsea finding space on either side of Tottenham’s midfield. For their second goal, Kante, Jorginho and Kovacic worked the ball across the midfield neatly…
L1.png

…and the attack ended with Kante finding oceans of space. Dier, highlighted, knows someone has to shut him down — but it’s Dier who ends up deflecting the ball past his own goalkeeper, effectively ending the contest.
But Tottenham did cause Chelsea serious problems in the first half here, particularly in those zones on either side of Jorginho and Kovacic.
Tuchel fixed the problem with a change of system, but with his wealth of attacking options, he’ll be reluctant to be forced into a 5-3-2 every week. Opponents have spent much of 2021 wondering precisely where you find space against Tuchel’s 3-4-3. Tottenham might have found the answer.
I admire your optimism but we got spanked 3-0 at home in a London derby. I don't care how good Chelsea are that's simply unacceptable. We've given them more of a game in the past when the disparity between the sides has been much more pronounced.

Just comes across as spin.
 
I think Jose left the bar pretty low.

Dele jogging along for a pack of fags would probably be an improvement.
These players might actually be worse than we think. 3 1/2 managers now (counting Mason) and nothing to show for it. Countless other managers turning down the job after seeing what’s on offer.

Perhaps it’s the players not the managers.
 
I thought training has improved under Nuno??

Suggestions are it has...... We looked energetic in the first half(*).... It's wrong to suggest otherwise..... Even the second half looked more like mental fragility to me.

(*We did for the bulk of the City game too.)
 
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