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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane
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You think we should've been doing business with all interested parties? Which would potentially include Chelsea.
The club were absolutely right to not entertain something like that. They don't sell to us, we don't sell to them. Kane came through our youth system and has been our figurehead for years. There's no way the club should have been considering any offers from Chelsea.
No, I’m not. I was saying Levy should have led Chelsea up the garden path to up the price to sell him to Citeh.
Fair 'nuff....... Having the same debate with two people consecutively here.
not at 150m for a 28 year old with an injury record
Luvf in talk utter rubbish shock.
I'm sorry, are you defending the club for the year we could've signed pretty much anyone we went for Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sessengon??? That's what we conjured up after a champions league final and you're defending it? The same window we lost Llorente who you've just pointed out and never replaced?
I don't speak about our transfers because they may aswell have not happened. None of those players have done anything for us in the 2 years we got them so when you say revamp you'll have to explain that to me.
They probably wouldn't move on these players you mention because the club slap a huge price tag. If you need players that you're struggling to find buyers for to leave, you lower your price dramatically. Saying they won't move on is nonsense there's always a way even if you pay part of their wages to shift them, because squad harmony is so important.
Ah I'm sick of even arguing aboht this. Top to bottom decisions are awful and Nuno is the next fall guy for a job he shouldve never been given. We won't give Conte the money to do what he wants so we have to find a manager that can manager a group of players regardless of who they are and plays attacking football. It really isn't this difficult we just make it so hard for ourselves every fucking decision.
Taking whatever we can get for Kane assumes that we will do something worthwhile with the money and after the summer we just had there is zero reason to think that we would have spent the money wisely at all. I imagine people will point to the Martinez links or bring up someone unattainable like Toney but there is no reason to think either would have been realistic options at all.
We just saw the club buy 1 starting player for a club that had at minimum 6 holes in the starting 11 and massive depth problems to go along with it. That starter wasn't even used in the NLD we just played. We didn't have a single player we bought in the summer deemed good enough to start in our biggest game of the season, that is horrible.
Selling Kane makes sense if we are not willing to surround him with a team to compete and it appears that is the case, but thinking that by selling him we are going to be a better team is a pipe dream. This is the same group that thinks going into the season with no back-up striker, no RW and playing Bergwijn and Moura out of position in RW with neither having a ounce of finishing ability is a solid plan. Do you really think that is the group that is going to get a good return to replace the leagues top goal scorer and playmaker?
We just saw the club buy 1 starting player for a club that had at minimum 6 holes in the starting 11 and massive depth problems to go along with it. That starter wasn't even used in the NLD we just played. We didn't have a single player we bought in the summer deemed good enough to start in our biggest game of the season, that is horrible.
Selling Kane makes sense if we are not willing to surround him with a team to compete and it appears that is the case, but thinking that by selling him we are going to be a better team is a pipe dream. This is the same group that thinks going into the season with no back-up striker, no RW and playing Bergwijn and Moura out of position in RW with neither having a ounce of finishing ability is a solid plan. Do you really think that is the group that is going to get a good return to replace the leagues top goal scorer and playmaker?
Kane last season... Spurs fans in general = He's amazing. We have one of the best players, not just strikers, in the world. He's evolved. Wonderful playmaker. He's one of our own.
Kane a few months later... Some Spurs fans = He's over-rated. He never scores against good teams. He's too slow. His goals don't amount to anything. He drops too deep. He's the reason for Covid. Should have swapped him for Paul Dickov.
Mugs.
Kane a few months later... Some Spurs fans = He's over-rated. He never scores against good teams. He's too slow. His goals don't amount to anything. He drops too deep. He's the reason for Covid. Should have swapped him for Paul Dickov.
Mugs.
What the hell do you mean didn't add to the debate?
Your post centered around 3 points..... I succinctly rebuffed them; no essay required. As far as I can see there is no further debate to be had, but if you want to actually offer a counter to the actual contradictions made then I'm all ears. (Pretty much what I said last post!).
1. Do we have a divine right to an owner plowing their own cash in? (Other clubs don't, so I'm not sure what would make us so special.)
2. Do you have any evidence to suggest that ENIC will take stadium revenue out of the club? (They have taken no dividends or profit out thus far....)
3. Blank Cheque - Yeh that's dead in the water already.
There are lots of things I could critique about certain management decisions; but as I hope you'd have taken on board by now; I didn't contradict you on the basis of any of those things.
You may want a generic "yay/boo ENIC" back n forth for the 100th time, but I'll pass.
Of course, I read it.... I was being facetious..... You preceding to have a general moan about our decline based around things like "why can't we be more like Leicester"(*) isn't something I feel the need to be a part of.... I categorically explained this in the next breath.
(*We've recruited badly.... But that's not a matter of a lack of investment like you started off complaining about.)
No..... Read again.
You said we did nothing and attempted to do nothing.
This was clearly and categorically untrue.
My reply states the case to the contrary.
Can you stop straw-manning me please... The word "revamp" doesn't appear in my post.
......And I certainly haven't argued that those players were a mitigated success either.
You're veering off onto a different topic.
You'll notice I didn't debate you as to whether or not things have taken a down-turn and that better decisions could have been made in some respects.
Much of this is tiresome to me too (trust me on that!), but no more tiresome than people trying to amp up their discontent with grossly untrue statements like the one I sought to shoot down.
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Since the 19-20 season w/o Kane Starting but w/ Son playing >60 mins
Premier League
6 Wins
1 Draws
3 Losses
Total w/o Kane: 10 games, 19 points, 1.9 points per game
*Totals w/ Kane: 72 games, 111 points, 1.5 points per game
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He wasn't great last season though.
Jose built the team around Kane and Son so they were going to put up numbers at the expense of the rest of the team.
sammyspurs
myself and a few others have been consistent about our position re kane.We have been better off without Kane over the last 3 seasons. Our record/results without him are undeniable.
Objectively speaking and with Kane at his best we are better with him than without.
Stats are important but thet rarely come with the necessary context..
What we needed was to get a 2nd striker, which is still very much the case..
That single failure also inhibits us so greatly and just reduces our options even more.
Stats are important but thet rarely come with the necessary context..
What we needed was to get a 2nd striker, which is still very much the case..
That single failure also inhibits us so greatly and just reduces our options even more.
He's a limited / luxury type of player.
You have to have the right players around him and the right set up for him to be successful.
Me saying they stood still isn't saying we physically bought nobody. I'm saying we bought absolute garbage that a team at the level we were shouldn't have been buying.
At a time we genuinely could've bought some really talented players we didn't. Dybala? Wouldn't pay the money. Fernandes? Grealish?
All players that we could've pulled the trigger on but decided against.
We bought Hjolberg and Doherty the following years, can you not see what I'm saying here?
The club opted for the cheap-expensive deals if this makes sense. Pepe to scum is an example of the type of deals we've made, at a time we could've made serious signings that may have pushed Pochettino on and got us going again.
Its sickening I'm not arguing with you over vocabulary, we wouldn't be arguing if the team was just had some respectability but it's been 2 years or more where we've been so shocking on the pitch
You distinctly we said chose not to do anything; implying we opted to tread water and get no-one in or out.
Sure..... Ignore those we did get and just complain about those we didn't...... :sigh:
You don't think we spent 60m on Ndombele thinking he'd be a world beater? (90% of the experts he were wanking over the fella for the previous 12 months or more!)
40m on Gio thinking he also had "real talent"?
We spend 30m on Sessengon thinking he'd just ride our bench for a year or two and not really kick on?
(We went out and spent another 30m that position 12 months later! ....Nope; no intent to genuinely improve that position. :roll: )
Bitch about them bombing, but at least be honest about what you're doing..... You're currently not.
Poor choices is not the same as showing no desire to assert positive change and kick on... Fact of the matter that was an unprecedented summer spend for us.
You talk about "Serious deals", but Fernandos had no more EPL guarantees than Ndombele or Gio.... Grealish still had it all the prove as an EPL player.... Dybala; sketchy guy that didn't even want to move.
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Harry Kane. 70-90€ Million
Harry Kane - Player profile 24/25
Harry Kane, 31, from England ➤ Bayern Munich, since 2023 ➤ Centre-Forward ➤ Market value: €90.00m ➤ * Jul 28, 1993 in London, England
£108m
......What exactly makes one source more worthy than the next?
Take an average of the two.Harry Kane - Player profile 24/25
Harry Kane, 31, from England ➤ Bayern Munich, since 2023 ➤ Centre-Forward ➤ Market value: €90.00m ➤ * Jul 28, 1993 in London, Englandwww.transfermarkt.co.uk
£108m
......What exactly makes one source more worthy than the next?