I don't think I could cope with that level of owner. It is all a bit too much.
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Rubbish.
People have walked away from all sorts of scenarios (monetary and/or potential glory) over principals..... And they will again.
If you have no scruples then so be it; but don't paint others with the same shitty brush.
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Fair enough. I accept that anecdotal evidence indicates it never happened. I stand corrected.
You know what's really nauseating. People using this analogy to somehow make an argument for ENIC being good owners.
They're not. They're fucking shit.
They care nothing about football. They care even less about you, the lifelong fan.
They're only interested in it's commercial exploitation as a means to expand their property portfolio and land their ultimate goal of an NFL franchise.
Saudi's, Russians, Chinese or whoever investing in other clubs in NO WAY makes ENIC's slow strangulation of our soul acceptable.
Let nobody ever forget this.
My point is that whilst we might not have anywhere near as much blood on our money the reality is our owners are only in this for themselves and not for the supporters, not for the fans, in the same way that the City owners are, only difference being is that their fans can ignore all the horrific shit because they have titles to celebrate and that "makes it all better."
Morally I find the way these companies do business all the same, the fans are an afterthought so my point is, we don't have a moral high ground and we aren't "doing things the right way" as many people believe.
The only difference between our owners and the City owners comes down to political and social differences in attitudes towards the world.
So sure, we can be proud that our owners aren't murdering people or participating in any of the things you have listed above but in terms of the business of football does that give us moral superiority? No, it doesn't imo because our actual business model in terms of the treatment towards fans is just as corrupt as theirs.
Plenty
Weird post
Politically and socially I agree but in terms of their treatment towards paying supporters and their reasoning for being involved in owning a football club I would have to disagree.
City and their owners for example have political motivations behind owning that club "sportswashing" as people say.
Our owners have financial motivations for themselves in terms of building property and creating a long term investment with minimal risk to their financial footing with no regards for the success the club has or the happiness of the legacy supporters.
Both in my eyes are in this business for the wrong reasons and both reasons harm the supporters long term.
I think I would rather get relegated and have someone in charge who loves the club and puts the business of football first and foremost than have either of those realities.
If that was the case THEN I think we would have a moral highground to stand on.
Our owners are just a different flavour of capitalist corruption.
Yep. No one has said ENIC are good owners they are just telling posters who are saying they are 'as morally bad as' the Saudis that they aren't.
So ENIC are free-spending sports-washers?
........Now that is a plot twist!
Wanna try a-g-a-i-n?
Sorry posted my reply without finishing it but edited and complete it now. You don't have to accept my evidence, I didn't provide any. You just have to prove that Salman murders women and homosexual as a matter of policy.
There is much to criticise him for but murdering people for being Saudi women or homosexuals is probably not one of them. Willing to be corrected if there's any evidence.
A 30 second Google.
Woman faces being stoned to death for adultery - while man to receive 100 lashes
The married 45-year-old was working as a maid in Riyadh and was convicted of adultry in August but her partner was given a lesser punishment
www.google.com
Mass Execution in Saudi Arabia Kills 5 Linked to Homosexual Acts
It was linked to confessions that were reportedly coerced.
www.google.com
I never said any of that, the footnote was that our money may be soaked in blood a little less but that doesn't mean we are morally superior.
Like I said in another post, our owners corruption is just a different flavour.
If we are talking about socially and politically then yes, our owners are morally superior, obviously.
In terms of the pure business of football and how the owners operate towards the paying supporters I don't think there is any difference personally.
Agree with some of this and I want enic and levy gone but, what our owners dont do is commit human rights abuses like the owners of citeh and Newcastle.
Didn’t he bribe MPs to ask questions in Parliament on his behalf?
Neil Hamilton?
Nail on head sir
I wasn't talking about business, I was talking about socially and politically.
The City owners only spend the way they do because it is politically beneficial for them to do so, they don't spend because they enjoy football or care about the fans.
The business model is the same in regards to the attitude towards legacy fans and paying supporters.
The difference being is that ENIC don't need to spend money in order to be politically and socially beneficial, they are already very comfortable in the western capitalist and social system and have no need to try and wash away human rights abuses, systemic homophobia and the other heinous shit those regimes partake in.
However, their goal is the same in regards to pure business which is doing what benefits THEM rather than what benefits the supporters.