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Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window

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Raumdeuterz said:
Fenway weren't there for too long before Klopp arrived. They had a mess to sort out but signings like Coutinho, Suarez, Henderson, Sturridge etc didn't happen with him there. They messed up the Suarez money under Brendan and Carroll was a bad signing, but that's about it. Under Fenway they revitalised a side in mid-table to the point of title challengers, then title and CL winners under Klopp.

I believe they formed a 'transfer committee' and changed their scouting department up post Suarez money splurge too, so they learned from our mistakes. What have we done? Kept the same teams in place despite persistent failures. We've brought in Paratici and the hit rate thus far has hardly improved. It's constant incompetency. Liverpool aren't perfectly run but Fenway have been FAR more successful than ENIC as owners. It isn't even a debate.
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Google (no link):

"On October 6th 2010, FSG bought Liverpool FC from the incapable hands of former and inept owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett. The club was no doubt on the verge of bankruptcy before John Henry et al. stepped in and bought the most successful club in English football for £300 million."

But:

Liverpool FC — Honours

Liverpool FC is one of the world's most successful football clubs with 52 major men's honours.
www.liverpoolfc.com www.liverpoolfc.com
 
MemphisWill said:
Newcastle averaged basically 50k fans every year of Mike Ashley's ownership. Its not a US phenomenon. Happy or sad, sports fans will stump up and buy the fucking tickets and tune the station in because we're obsessed.
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Ashley bought the club for 190M in inflation-adjusted GBP and sold for 300M 13 years later.

A nice return, but a drop in the ocean compared to what any NFL owner would make on a sale over a comparable time period, and the Newcastle fans made a pariah of him.

Internet Spurs fans are used to the idea of Levy as a reviled lightning rod. In the real world, the Nuno era reached about a 2 on a scale from 1-10.

It will get worse to be Daniel Levy, and the value of the club relative to others in the PL will go in sharp reverse.

It’s over. The ENIC project has nowhere left to go. It’s colossal ridiculous Sky-baiting transfer splurging or mid-table financial retrenchment. A third option cannot and will not appear, period.
 
Airfixx said:
Google (no link):

"On October 6th 2010, FSG bought Liverpool FC from the incapable hands of former and inept owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett. The club was no doubt on the verge of bankruptcy before John Henry et al. stepped in and bought the most successful club in English football for £300 million."

But:

Liverpool FC — Honours

Liverpool FC is one of the world's most successful football clubs with 52 major men's honours.
www.liverpoolfc.com www.liverpoolfc.com
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The 13/14 season they had was better than any season we've had since ENIC took over. How long have they had in charge now, in comparison? Still making the same errors over and over. You'd expect Fenway to take some time to get going, but now they have they're well ran.

We're still waiting for ENIC to even halfway get their shit together. It's been long enough.
 
FightingIllini said:
Ashley bought the club for 190M in inflation-adjusted GBP and sold for 300M 13 years later.

A nice return, but a drop in the ocean compared to what any NFL owner would make on a sale over a comparable time period, and the Newcastle fans made a pariah of him.

Internet Spurs fans are used to the idea of Levy as a reviled lightning rod. In the real world, the Nuno era reached about a 2 on a scale from 1-10.

It will get worse to be Daniel Levy, and the value of the club relative to others in the PL will go in sharp reverse.

It’s over. The ENIC project has nowhere left to go. It’s colossal ridiculous Sky-baiting transfer splurging or mid-table financial retrenchment. A third option cannot and will not appear, period.
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Great post mate
 
FightingIllini said:
Fuck, Summer 2018. My bad. The point stands.

I’m really not interested in arguing this any further, because ultimately the Levy-bots are resting on the assumption that the financial project will not collapse in the face of underinvestment, and only seeing it happen over the next 2-3 years will convince them. Just watch.
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"Levy-bots"

Pffffff.... Why ruin an otherwise decent convo/debate?

I've not argued in favour of under-investment..... I'm not an advocate for zero-spending... Never have, never will be. I just think you're giving an excess of credit where it's not due....

Liverpool spent their windfall wisely.

We fucked up our spend up on TN, Gio & co.
 
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I can understand January is a tricky time to sign players etc and we need to trim the squad to add. It looks like any deals will drag on till the last few days of the window. However, if nothing productive is done by the time the window closes these cunts in charge better get the tin hats out because things will get very ugly.
 
Berserker said:
I can understand January is a tricky time to sign players etc and we need to trim the squad to add. It looks like any deals will drag on till the last few days of the window. However, if nothing productive is done by the time the window closes these cunts in charge better get the tin hats out because things will get very ugly.
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If they don't realise what is coming their way then they are more idiotic than we first feared.
 
FightingIllini said:
Ashley bought the club for 190M in inflation-adjusted GBP and sold for 300M 13 years later.

A nice return, but a drop in the ocean compared to what any NFL owner would make on a sale over a comparable time period, and the Newcastle fans made a pariah of him.

Internet Spurs fans are used to the idea of Levy as a reviled lightning rod. In the real world, the Nuno era reached about a 2 on a scale from 1-10.

It will get worse to be Daniel Levy, and the value of the club relative to others in the PL will go in sharp reverse.

It’s over. The ENIC project has nowhere left to go. It’s colossal ridiculous Sky-baiting transfer splurging or mid-table financial retrenchment. A third option cannot and will not appear, period.
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People who own sports teams don't give 2 fucks what fans say or think about them. And the idea that having a reviled owner makes a club less valuable is preposterous.

Ashley sold because it became clear that he lacked the means with which he was willing to part that could take Newcastle further, this coincided with the arrival of someone with greater means and motivation willing to give him a 160% ROI to go do something else with his life. He didn't sell because he got tired of mean banners and internet threads.

ENIC ain't selling because people don't like them. They ain't selling because people protest. And they ain't selling because people don't show up - because people will never stop showing up. Look at the Glazers, their takeover prompted the founding of a splinter club and they're still absolutely reviled. And they're still raking in the dough. And that shit stadium is still completely sold out.
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
I just cannot get my head around if we have a very limited budget why go for Conte. I don’t think he is a cheque book manager but he has a short fuse and is not a patient manager. If he has reasonable aspirations that we fail to meet and walks we will really be struggling.

My only theory which is pretty shaky I admit , is that when the crowd turned on Levy and ENIC sacking Nuno was the right call , they then felt Conte would appease the fans. Appointing Conte has appeased the fans but if he storms out the atmosphere will be way more toxic than the United game .

Great manager, but as each day goes by I am struggling to see the fit
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I've said it many times before. Hiring and firing coaches is actually a lot, lot cheaper than backing them with multiple, quality signings.
The fans were ready to lynch Levy at the Man United game. That's the closest it's been fir 21 years to a fully unified anti ENIC crowd. So no doubt he shit the bed and promised Conte everything to quell the anger.
We all know promises in ENIC land aren't worth the gentleman's agreement they shook on....


Tomo said:
N’Bissouma has got to be out there in the French league.
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Or Yvess Bissouma-Peters
 
Raumdeuterz said:
The 13/14 season they had was better than any season we've had since ENIC took over.
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Arguably no so....... We finished 2nd and had more points than that in 16/17.

Raumdeuterz said:
How long have they had in charge now, in comparison? Still making the same errors over and over. You'd expect Fenway to take some time to get going, but now they have they're well ran.
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Yet despite this - notably the trigger to all today's LIverpool talk - their fans up kicking off about them not investing enough..... Again.

Raumdeuterz said:
We're still waiting for ENIC to even halfway get their shit together. It's been long enough.
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Mate; my posts on this matter haven't been some mass defence of ENIC.

I just don't see FSGs opps as having been that different.

Absolutely mistakes have been made, but if we'd have got over the line in 15/16, 16/17 or the CL final things would have been very different story and we wouldn't be reflecting on much of this.
 
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MemphisWill said:
Look at the Glazers, their takeover prompted the founding of a splinter club and they're still absolutely reviled. And they're still raking in the dough. And that shit stadium is still completely sold out.
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They must be the only team with an even worse scouting network than us. They sign expensive players on high wages and they're all turning out shit.

Sancho looked fucking bang average for England every single time he played. Wan Bissaka was and is a £15m player at best. Van De Beak done nothing. £80m for slab head. Just insane how they keep buying these players.
I don't think they actually have scouts, I think they just sign whatever players the papers and social media are currently fawning over.
Jude Belingham next?
 
MemphisWill said:
Ashley sold because it became clear that he lacked the means with which he was willing to part that could take Newcastle further,
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Bingo, and to be clear, “take Newcastle further” meaning “continue to ride the upward tide of PL club valuations”. The business was in decline, and in five more years he’d be stuck in the Champo selling for even less.

You’re not wrong to point out that it would take two to tango and ENIC needs a buyer at a (justifiably) very high price point.

And of course, this is Daniel Levy we’re talking about. If he can’t get Dybala’s image rights over the line, he’ll never get pen to paper on selling the whole club.

But we’re in exactly the same position, from a higher platform.

If this is how the club is going to be run, the best price Levy will ever get for the club is today’s, followed by tomorrow’s, and so on.

And I don’t doubt the cunt will love playing the villain to the fanbase, but my point there is just to observe that it hasn’t even begun yet. Looking at Spurs through an internet lens obscures that.
 
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