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iz futbal said:
Its you thats clinging to the word trust. Im saying it was lack of fitness. L
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LOL

You used the word 3 times in your last post; one time of which was in HUGE letters.....

Stop clowning yourself and move on.



Attribute it to trust or whatever you like; the fact remains the same :TN was not getting played (and has subseuquently been loaned out) cos he was Fat, Lazy & Unprofessional..... Not cos of the system..... Stop making excuses for him.
 
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Airfixx said:
LOL

You used the word 3 times in your last post; one time of which was in HUGE letters.....

Stop clowning yourself and move on.



Attribute it to trust or whatever you like; the fact remains the same :TN was not getting played (and has subseuquently been loaned out) cos he was Fat, Lazy & Unprofessional..... Not cos of the system..... Stop making excuses for him; you sound like a battered wife.
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I cant explain to you that trust wasnt an issue without using the word trust. You are stuck on the trust thing like an idiot. Its obviously fitness. He doesnt have a level of fitness suitable for the premier league and the system. Thats why hes loaned out.

Im beginning to see why some here call you a bot. You just repeat the same thing over and over until it gets really boring for a human to deal with.
 
iz futbal said:
I cant explain to you that trust wasnt an issue without using the word trust. You are stuck on the trust thing like an idiot. Its obviously fitness. He doesnt have a level of fitness suitable for the premier league and the system. Thats why hes loaned out.
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Still me being stuck on it, yeh...... :rolleyes:

iz futbal said:
Im beginning to see why some here call you a bot. You just repeat the same thing over and over until it gets really boring for a human to deal with.
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My last post said: "Attribute it to trust or whatever you like...... etc."

While you're deploying stubborn ignorance; why should I do anything but repeat myself???

There no progressive debate being offered up by yourself; you've just woken up with a boner for me this morning.... I'm flattered (I guess), but frankly, it's putting me off my breakfast.
 
LeParisien said:
Im going to provide some counter evidence.

In interviews in french, Tanguy always comes across as extremely humble and a sweet, nice guy. Not as charming as Dele was … a lot more shy and reserved,.. but a nice kid.

Twitter was full of photos of him with fans upon his return, smiling and happy to be back.

I can’t speak to what the OL dans are saying. It might all be correct. But he’s not an obviously bad kid at all.
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Tout a fait, mon ami.

For those OL fans who say he's not a nice kid, there'll be just as many on the other side who think he's a great bloke. And the truth, as often, will probably be somewhere in the middle 😁

Personally, I don't hate the guy. He's what he is as a person and it ain't for me to judge. Knowing there are far, far worse than he...I don't think I need to mention his name.

Dombs was a terrible player for us, mainly cause he just wouldn't give it his all, and that I do mind and resent him for it. But he's gone now, at least for the time being, so no point holding any grudges. If he does well at OL, then great...for him, for Lyon and for Spurs, as that means we'll be in with a chance to recoup some of that insane cash we paid for him.

C'est la vie, eh? 😉
 
bk_spur said:
Ok well I do agree with some of what you are saying, but consider this: I can just as easily argue that Ndombele did not have the benefit of a full preseason in stepping up to a much faster and more physical league. That he wasn't judged able to complete 90 minutes during the first quarter of the season in which Poch was coach does not necessarily mean that he was "failing badly". There are tons of top players which take a half a season or more to adapt to the pace and physicality of the prem.

We don't know what would have happened if Poch stayed, nor is it really worth considering too much, but it does seem like he was struggling to adapt, and then completely mentally checked out when Poch was sacked. I agree with you to an extent but think its very possible Poch could have sorted him out in the end.
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Just a wee point from me. When you are paid so much money in wages, and the club's made you their record signing, you don't get to check out because the coach you liked got sacked. You give your very best, all the time. Or if it affects you, that's fine...for a bit...but you sort yourself out sharpish. Cause you owe it to the club for their investment in you. And, more importantly, you owe it to the fans.

I think that's an easy excuse from Dombs, who we know is quite a fan of diverting responsibility on to somebody else.
 
LeParisien said:
Ndombele was a bad fit for the club but no one could have foreseen that after our CL final.
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I am not sure I agree with this particular part of your point, matey.

There were many, many reports about the player's poor attitude towards training, that he was lazy, nonchalant and could be a tricky character. It wasn't just at Lyon. Everywhere he'd been before, the same things were said.

As far as I'm concerned, it's a big oversight from our scouting dept, you could even call it gross negligence if there weren't even aware of the reports. You'd certainly hope they were, and that it was just a question of them thinking it was worth the risk and that they'd get him sorted at Spurs. Doesn't change the fact that it hugely backfired and has proved a very costly mistake.

Some heads should definitely roll for that one, and I think in the end too many blame it on Poch and leave other culprits off the hook. Even buying Dombs' lame excuse that it was the frequent changes in coaching that made his Spurs career shite
 
bk_spur said:
Ok well I do agree with some of what you are saying, but consider this: I can just as easily argue that Ndombele did not have the benefit of a full preseason in stepping up to a much faster and more physical league. That he wasn't judged able to complete 90 minutes during the first quarter of the season in which Poch was coach does not necessarily mean that he was "failing badly". There are tons of top players which take a half a season or more to adapt to the pace and physicality of the prem.

We don't know what would have happened if Poch stayed, nor is it really worth considering too much, but it does seem like he was struggling to adapt, and then completely mentally checked out when Poch was sacked. I agree with you to an extent but think its very possible Poch could have sorted him out in the end.
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I do not want to get into a fight as I think you are a good poster, but one point which I think is incorrect is that Ndombele 'did not have the benefit of a full pre-season' as Nodombele was available for the start of his pre-season under Poch.
 
Jaynola said:
I am not sure I agree with this particular part of your point, matey.

There were many, many reports about the player's poor attitude towards training, that he was lazy, nonchalant and could be a tricky character. It wasn't just at Lyon. Everywhere he'd been before, the same things were said.

As far as I'm concerned, it's a big oversight from our scouting dept, you could even call it gross negligence if there weren't even aware of the reports. You'd certainly hope they were, and that it was just a question of them thinking it was worth the risk and that they'd get him sorted at Spurs. Doesn't change the fact that it hugely backfired and has proved a very costly mistake.

Some heads should definitely roll for that one, and I think in the end too many blame it on Poch and leave other culprits off the hook. Even buying Dombs' lame excuse that it was the frequent changes in coaching that made his Spurs career shite
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I don’t think that’s true. There were no reports that I had heard of him being anything other than a model pro, keen to seize his chance, at Lyon.

The criticisms were earlier in his career. But we’re also balanced by the fact that he was released in his late teens and worked his ass off to make it as a pro.

I think unprofessional, fat Tanguy has become a bit of a meme amongst online spurs fans. Perhaps it’s not entirely without merit but it’s been blown out of all proportion.
 
LeParisien said:
I don’t think that’s true. There were no reports that I had heard of him being anything other than a model pro, keen to seize his chance, at Lyon.

The criticisms were earlier in his career. But we’re also balanced by the fact that he was released in his late teens and worked his ass off to make it as a pro.

I think unprofessional, fat Tanguy has become a bit of a meme amongst online spurs fans. Perhaps it’s not entirely without merit but it’s been blown out of all proportion.
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Well I disagree, pal. As far as I remember, they were reports. And it wasn't just fans of Lyon or Amiens, Guingamp hating on the player for whatever reason...it was also the opinion of journalists who do know their footy. I also seem to recall that Didier Deschamps had alluded to it when discussing his squad selections, that certain players like Dombs or Rabiot needed to get a real understanding of what it takes to make it at the top level ie talent isn't everything.

Anyway, whatever was said and when, we can't rewrite history - - > we signed him, for whatever reason he was awful, and is now gone for a few months.

I just hope that next time our board decides to splash a big wad on a player, there'll be no doubt whatsoever as far as his character or injury record is concerned.
 
Jaynola said:
Well I disagree, pal. As far as I remember, they were reports. And it wasn't just fans of Lyon or Amiens, Guingamp hating on the player for whatever reason...it was also the opinion of journalists who do know their footy. I also seem to recall that Didier Deschamps had alluded to it when discussing his squad selections, that certain players like Dombs or Rabiot needed to get a real understanding of what it takes to make it at the top level ie talent isn't everything.

Anyway, whatever was said and when, we can't rewrite history - - > we signed him, for whatever reason he was awful, and is now gone for a few months.

I just hope that next time our board decides to splash a big wad on a player, there'll be no doubt whatsoever as far as his character or injury record is concerned.
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Hmmmm… im french… until 6 months ago I lived in France. I don’t have an encyclopédique knowledge of Deschamps’ comments but I’m reasonably certain I’d remember criticism of one of our players. I don’t think it’s happened - although it would be the easiest thing in the world to prove me wrong…

I think spurs fans have massively overplayed pre-existing concerns because of their frustration that there’s this supremely talented player who isn’t delivering.

If anything Deschamps has been supportive and played up his huge potential. Just as he’s been fiercely loyal to Pogba. And even Rabiot there’s not been any bad blood I can recall? Just rabiot refusing to be a reserve for WC?
 
ryuzakiluke100 said:
Doesn't explain why the other poster said Conte doesn't like expressive NDombele. Pirlo can be expressive on the pitch too. Vidal is wild off the pitch, getting caught drunk all the time.

Pogba best season for Juventus was post Vidal and Pirlo (post Conte too of course). It's not like he can only perform with the other two around. For example this game against City, a PL team.

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Pogba just is and was so much better than Ndombele. They both have some attitude issues/problems when it comes to positional play, but peak Pogba was Ndombele's ceiling. In fact when Pogba does leave United I expect him to thrive anywhere else, he's genuinely a brilliant player.

Another example is how brilliant Pogba is for France. The most talented NT on the planet and they run everything through him, he's so often the main man. It's not like a GLC situation where he's just a working cog in the wheel, Pogba is the creative hub of that side.
 
LeParisien said:
Hmmmm… im french… until 6 months ago I lived in France. I don’t have an encyclopédique knowledge of Deschamps’ comments but I’m reasonably certain I’d remember criticism of one of our players. I don’t think it’s happened - although it would be the easiest thing in the world to prove me wrong…

I think spurs fans have massively overplayed pre-existing concerns because of their frustration that there’s this supremely talented player who isn’t delivering.

If anything Deschamps has been supportive and played up his huge potential. Just as he’s been fiercely loyal to Pogba. And even Rabiot there’s not been any bad blood I can recall? Just rabiot refusing to be a reserve for WC?
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Ah mon cher ami, I don't claim to know everything and I'm getting on a bit, so my memory isn't what it used to be ha ha! So yeah I'm not 100% sure as far as Dede is concerned, I just had that feeling he'd once said something about Domb's commitment...but could be mistaken. But my OL-supporting fans had genuine concerns at the time, as they have now.

Anyway, like I said earlier, whatever was reported/not, Tanguy flopped badly at Spurs and we've all got to move on from it now.

Allez le Tottenham.
 
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