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I could show you a thousand music videos with young black men using the N word freely when referring to other young black males. Referring to black people by the N word is basically outlawed in the entire Western world. Yet in the musical context it's totally harmless because the N word has no pejorative connotation.
Exactiy. And that's the problem... People assume, and don't look at the bigger picture.
Only difference is, The word 'Yid' was never originally used to be offensive. 'N' word was.
Because in the case of Y army most people singing it on a match day aren't Jewish.
Its usually black people that use the nword for themselves. I dont think many black people wou ld appreciate non-blacks using that word as some form of solidarity even if its in a musical context. There is quite a bit of difference.
What about those who are Jewish? If they're not offended by non-Jews singing it as long as they are Spurs fans why should it matter what anybody else thinks?
I wasn't aware that the word was not orginally derogatory so you have educated me there.
I know and to an extent I agree, but what about the wider world? what about Jewish fans of other clubs? What about the optics of the club in the global spotlight?
White people don’t get to use the N word freely — in a pejorative sense or otherwise. I could provide an example from the NYT of a teen girl in Tennessee who was canceled and lost her scholarship to the most prestigious cheerleading team in the US because she was caught saying it on video — to basically no-one and clearly not as a pejorative.
this is what it all boils down to, people simply refusing accept an innocent explanation because it doesn't fit into their existing paradigms of what racial slurs are, they're caught up in this strange notion of certain words belonging to certain people, as if exclusive rights to a slur is this great big power. Gay people claimed the world "gay" and we all use it now, it hasn't diminished its worth. The "n-word" paradigm of the word being completely forbidden for anyone but black people in any and ALL contexts is not the only pradigm of reclaiming slurs.
That's your fucking problem. JESUS CHRIST!! What was the point of the last half dozen pages of discussion?
There's definitely been non-black, Latino/Hispanic rappers who used the N word freely. Cypress Hill spring to mind some others i'm sure of out there. Again in the context they were using it nobody was offended.
Calm down dear, I'm happy to continue the discussion, as I said previously I can see both sides of this.
I would expect them to enquire why a club with a historical following and huge support within the Jewish community is using that word and the context it's being used in. Perhaps do some research and you know read a little? Wouldn't take 5 minutes on Google to work it out.
Yeah, but in reality what happens is they roll their eyes, turn over to strictly and assume we are a bunch of knuckle dragging racists at the football.
"it can't be both in my mind". I need a better justification for this kind of attitude than you, or anyone else has offered. I can understand how this line of thinking came about with the n-word, but it doesn't apply to every slur. This is too rigid, and intellectually lazy. Seeking to impose it on others can be a kind of cultural imperialism like when Americans try to foist "latinx" on unwilling spanish speakers.
I guess it's because
Yid =[Spoiler,] Jew
That's the point ....
