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Samisspurs said:
Notice how the club itself didn't complain about that smear? It suits them.
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they did...

thst spoke to spurs, spurs' lawyers spoke to the BBC. I do agree though, Levy would just love for this all to go away, so he can focus on the important matters of building a few more blocks of flats, and hosting concerts without driving away sponsors.
 
KaneIsAble said:
they did...

thst spoke to spurs, spurs' lawyers spoke to the BBC. I do agree though, Levy would just love for this all to go away, so he can focus on the important matters of building a few more blocks of flats, and hosting concerts without driving away sponsors.
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All bark and no bite. Like I say, there will be more hit pieces and the club will turn on the fans.
 
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1882 said:
What exactly makes you cringe? The original meaning of the word, or the fact we now apparently have a moral obligation not to use it?

Usage in Yiddish​

In Yiddish, the word "[B]Yid" [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiddish_language']Yiddish[/URL]: [/B][/I][B][I]ייד[/I][/B][I][B] is neutral or even complimentary[/B], and in Ashkenazi Yiddish-speaking circles it is frequently used to mean simply "fellow," "chap," "buddy," "mate," etc., with no expressed emphasis on Jewishness (although this may be implied by the intra-Jewish context). Plural is יידן [jidn].

In Yiddish, a polite way to address a fellow Jew whose name one does not know is Reb Yid, meaning "Sir." The Yiddish words yidish or yiddisher (from Middle High German jüdisch) is an adjective derived from the noun Yid, and thus means "Jewish".

You do realise the origins of the word were stolen, raped, bastardised and spat back at us with such venom!
THAT'S cringeworthy... Not the way it has been reclaimed!




Ahhhh, but as long as they don't say 'yid' whilst hissing!!

I'm Jewish, and fine using the word... Because I know where it originates, my grandparents spoke Yiddish, I grew up with YIDDISH words, which are ALL around us!

It's got to the point where the origins don't matter any more... It's all about the here and NOW!
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Just to be crystal clear are you implying in some way that I am an anti Semite because I agree with the clubs stance on this?
Sounds like you are implying that, and this is why we can no longer have adult conversations about anything any more and everything is divisive and polarized.

I realise this is an emotional issue for you, but I don't think anything I said was particularly controversial.

The world has changed, football has changed. The days of 4000 Chelsea or West Ham fans hissing are over, Yes, there are still racists and there are still isolated incidents and that will probably never change but It's not widespread, and the police arrest people for that shit now.

I think back to when I used to go and we used to sing about "feeding scousers" "Wenger is a pedo" the "Sol Campbell song" remembering back to the Adebeyor song which used to be sung by three ends of the stadium (Paxton never sung about anything - sorry Paxton) thinking back to that stuff makes me cringe. All these things. I would never dream of singing now particularly in the modern sanitized stadiums surrounded by women and kids and when its being televised to a worldwide audience.

Perhaps that's just me getting older and stodgier I don't know, perhaps.

As I said I used to sing the Y word loud and proud but times have changed. For me, its a relic.

I'm with the club on this, football has moved on, I'm not in love with most of what corporate/franchise football has become but I'm not in love with greying hairs and everyone being glued to a phone 24/7 either but its the reality and nature of time.

The past is gone.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
Just to be crystal clear are you implying in some way that I am an anti Semite because I agree with the clubs stance on this?
Sounds like you are implying that, and this is why we can no longer have adult conversations about anything any more and everything is divisive and polarized.

I realise this is an emotional issue for you, but I don't think anything I said was particularly controversial.

The world has changed, football has changed. The days of 4000 Chelsea or West Ham fans hissing are over, Yes, there are still racists and there are still isolated incidents and that will probably never change but It's not widespread, and the police arrest people for that shit now.

I think back to when I used to go and we used to sing about "feeding scousers" "Wenger is a pedo" the "Sol Campbell song" remembering back to the Adebeyor song which used to be sung by three ends of the stadium (Paxton never sung about anything - sorry Paxton) thinking back to that stuff makes me cringe. All these things. I would never dream of singing now particularly in the modern sanitized stadiums surrounded by women and kids and when its being televised to a worldwide audience.

Perhaps that's just me getting older and stodgier I don't know, perhaps.

As I said I used to sing the Y word loud and proud but times have changed. For me, its a relic.

I'm with the club on this, football has moved on, I'm not in love with most of what corporate/franchise football has become but I'm not in love with greying hairs and everyone being glued to a phone 24/7 either but its the reality and nature of time.

The past is gone.
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Change ain't always for the better
 
Cunt would be the perfect replacement as it it has no religious connotations...although TV commentators will be so busy apologising for the bad language they won't have time for commentating on the match...
 
All joking aside, I guess the club will hope It'll eventually be replaced with Spurs, so it'll be "Spurs Army" and "Being a Spur" I guess...
 
NewZealand_Spur said:
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"stop being racist"
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As well as being an unfunny cunt that lies about being a comedian, he's always somehow been oblivious to his own teams fans being the most racist cunts this side of West Ham.

He also through his 'parody' above on Jason Lee, bullied the guy perpetually because he thought it was funny. I despise this cunt, typical left wing metropole sneering down at the working class from his ivory tower.

Jason Lee on Baddiel and Skinner Fantasy Football abuse that ‘went too far’
 
Distaste for scouse said:
Just to be crystal clear are you implying in some way that I am an anti Semite because I agree with the clubs stance on this?
Sounds like you are implying that, and this is why we can no longer have adult conversations about anything any more and everything is divisive and polarized.

I realise this is an emotional issue for you, but I don't think anything I said was particularly controversial.

The world has changed, football has changed. The days of 4000 Chelsea or West Ham fans hissing are over, Yes, there are still racists and there are still isolated incidents and that will probably never change but It's not widespread, and the police arrest people for that shit now.

I think back to when I used to go and we used to sing about "feeding scousers" "Wenger is a pedo" the "Sol Campbell song" remembering back to the Adebeyor song which used to be sung by three ends of the stadium (Paxton never sung about anything - sorry Paxton) thinking back to that stuff makes me cringe. All these things. I would never dream of singing now particularly in the modern sanitized stadiums surrounded by women and kids and when its being televised to a worldwide audience.

Perhaps that's just me getting older and stodgier I don't know, perhaps.

As I said I used to sing the Y word loud and proud but times have changed. For me, its a relic.

I'm with the club on this, football has moved on, I'm not in love with most of what corporate/franchise football has become but I'm not in love with greying hairs and everyone being glued to a phone 24/7 either but its the reality and nature of time.

The past is gone.
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Things change, language changes; Yid has different meanings as demonstrated by 1882. OED has one definition as ‘a supporter or player of Spurs’. When I go to football that is how I identify. What right do the club have to take that away? The past is always with us though, and we should always remember why we sing the Yid songs - and we should pass this knowledge to our kids so they know too.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
Just to be crystal clear are you implying in some way that I am an anti Semite because I agree with the clubs stance on this?
Sounds like you are implying that, and this is why we can no longer have adult conversations about anything any more and everything is divisive and polarized.

I realise this is an emotional issue for you, but I don't think anything I said was particularly controversial.

The world has changed, football has changed. The days of 4000 Chelsea or West Ham fans hissing are over, Yes, there are still racists and there are still isolated incidents and that will probably never change but It's not widespread, and the police arrest people for that shit now.

I think back to when I used to go and we used to sing about "feeding scousers" "Wenger is a pedo" the "Sol Campbell song" remembering back to the Adebeyor song which used to be sung by three ends of the stadium (Paxton never sung about anything - sorry Paxton) thinking back to that stuff makes me cringe. All these things. I would never dream of singing now particularly in the modern sanitized stadiums surrounded by women and kids and when its being televised to a worldwide audience.

Perhaps that's just me getting older and stodgier I don't know, perhaps.

As I said I used to sing the Y word loud and proud but times have changed. For me, its a relic.

I'm with the club on this, football has moved on, I'm not in love with most of what corporate/franchise football has become but I'm not in love with greying hairs and everyone being glued to a phone 24/7 either but its the reality and nature of time.

The past is gone.
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Blimey, not at ALL!!
that was a leap!!

I meant the fact that you said the Spurs fans' use of the word makes you cringe!

The true meaning of the word isn't cringeworthy at all... It's the other hateful stuff thrown at us that's wrong!

Christ on a bike, I'm not in ANY way suggesting you're an anti semite... The hell gave you that idea?
Sorry for any confusion, honest!

...and for what it's worth, I despise both the Sol Campbell/Adebayor songs, and still won't sing them... But those were bourne of a very different set of circumstances.
 
1882 said:
Blimey, not at ALL!!
that was a leap!!

I meant the fact that you said the Spurs fans' use of the word makes you cringe!

The true meaning of the word isn't cringeworthy at all... It's the other hateful stuff thrown at us that's wrong!

Christ on a bike, I'm not in ANY way suggesting you're an anti semite... The hell gave you that idea?

Sorry for any confusion, honest!
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My mistake!

I can see both sides of the wider debate and I totally get why people sing it and the fact its a big part of our identity of our club, and will go on being a big part.

I think the club and the wider world of football are going to keep pushing for us to stop using it though, this same discussion seems to roll around every year.

I think the club can ask the fanbase and then the fanbase can decide. I would totally oppose the club coming down on supporters who continue to sing though.
 
Honest question, do you think they would ever stop Hindus from using THEIR iconography, because of the obvious, more sinister connotations?

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I know it's not an identical argument, as we're talking about NON Jews identifying as 'Yids' due to club allegiance...
But the point I'm trying to make, is why stop a word or an image being used when it clearly has other, historical, PEACEFUL meanings?
 
1882 said:
Honest question, do you think they would ever stop Hindus from using THEIR iconography, because of the obvious, more sinister connotations?

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It's tricky isn't it, I think if you wore a t-shirt with the Hindu symbol in your link most people would immediately assume you were right wing. There is room for wider education across the spectrum when it comes to iconography.

The way I try and look at the Y word question is by thinking if there was another club with traditional ties to the black community and as a result of years of racism they adopted the N word and sang "N army" could I get behind non black people singing that widescale? there is also the optics of that. Football is so global now and this stuff is beamed out everywhere.

I appreciate its not quite the same thing but its similar.

This is why I say I cringe slightly now when I see large parts our stadium singing this knowing that they aren't Jewish.

I don't want the heritage of our club or our ties to the Jewish community to disappear because that's a massive part of our club, but at the same time the chant just doesn't sit well with me anymore.
 
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