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Article taken from the Daily Telegraph, for those who are interested:

Tottenham Hotspur have been urged to take action over the "abusive and outdated" use of the word ‘Y--’ after the Crown Prosecution Service warned that supporters could now face criminal action.

In a letter to Telegraph Sport ahead of Sunday’s match between Spurs and Chelsea, the former Football Association chairman David Bernstein has also argued that defending the word as a term of endearment or self-designation is no longer acceptable. He says that football is encouraging its use in a more hostile context if it is not treated in the same way as racist slurs.

The Football Association and the CPS did previously try to tackle the ‘Y--’ reference in 2013 but charges were eventually dropped against fans who used the word. Tottenham intend to consult further with fans this year and there will be an educational campaign about its origins. The Jewish Charity, the Community Security Trust, has regularly described the word as “an anti-semitic insult”. Spurs have previously insisted that their fans have never intended to cause offence.

The European anti-racism network Fare acknowledged the long-standing context of the Tottenham supporters using the word in reference to their own fanbase, but told Telegraph Sport that it should now be eradicated.

“By now a campaign to educate people about it and a timeline to have it stopped being sung should have been in place,” said a Fare spokesperson.

“From a policy perspective it clearly falls within the legislation as a ‘racist term’. There should be no legal or operational blockages to it being educated out.”

Asked specifically about Tottenham fans using the word ‘Y--’, a CPS spokesperson said: “Discriminatory chanting has a severe negative impact on football and fans and we are continuing to work with football authorities, clubs, and charities to push this offensive behaviour out of the game.

“Chanting helps create the atmosphere that makes football great but any chants that are racist, homophobic or anti-Semitic could be a hate crime and we will not hesitate to prosecute anyone accused of these actions where there is sufficient evidence and in the public interest.”

The CPS has been taking a noticeably proactive stance to football chanting in recent weeks - it has warned that the term “<removed>” would be deemed a hate crime - but also stressed that there was more chance of someone being prosecuted if the offence involved hostility.

This behaviour is outdated and must cease now

By David Bernstein

The recent Yorkshire CCC debacle (apparently compounded by a supine ECB) is a clear example of behaviour which not many years ago might have been tolerated but is now beyond the pale

It is clear that the use of the N word, the P word or other like insults will not be tolerated in any circumstances. Why then should this not also apply to the use of the Y word which is equally insulting to many and has horrible historic connotations? In asking this question I am addressing the chanting at Tottenham Hotspur FC which continues week in week out.

In the eyes of some, this behaviour must make the use of the Y word more acceptable, in a wider and more hostile context. It does also lead to a reaction from some supporters of other clubs which contain references to gas chambers and other historic barbarities.

Up to now the above usage has been defended by apologists as a form of “endearment “ or “self-designation”. In fact when asked about this David Cameron (then Prime Minister) responded that the acceptability depended on the context. In other words if it was not meant maliciously then, whilst not ideal, it could be tolerated.

Well we live in a very different era and the above justifications are no longer acceptable. Undoubtedly if those other insults were being chanted the reaction of the public and those in authority would be one of outrage. Action would ensue.

Double standards. This behaviour is abusive and outdated and must cease now. If Spurs cannot deal with this then the FA and the EPL must act.
 
I'm glad antisemitism has been completely eradicated so we no longer have to use this term...

This won't stand up in any court of law, as with any term context is key. Any mundane language can be used in an offensive manner it's all about how and why it's used.
 
I knew this was coming months ago. Some incompetent hipster on a podcast was saying there would be a concerted effort in 2022.

They will try and fail...as usual. They will throw as much mud as possible at us this time, just stay strong...oh and wear a scarf over your mouth.

I certainly won't listen to anything from a man who blacked up and wore a pineapple on his head for the lols.
It amazes me that Baddiel is always banging on about us and the yid army chant but never mentions his fellow <removed>s singing about gassing Jews etc.
 
If jewish people (myself included) experienced intentional racial hatred at our ground and were ever made to feel unwelcome then the chanting would be offensive.

We don't, so it isn't.

They tried to stop us, look what it did.
 
Fucking irritates the hell out of me that people seem so incapable of understanding context. Why would 50,000 people regularly shout abuse to the team they support? Sorry if it means something different to someone else, but it's not directed at them, nor with the meaning they are taking - it's directed positively towards our football club - any other meaning or direction taking by others is simply their misunderstanding.

If I say "You'll Never Walk Alone" is offensive to me because my dad suffered severely from claustrophobia, will that be droning racket be banned too?

YID ARMY!

(EDIT: Ooh as Don Corleone Don Corleone mentioned it, I'm a bit Jewish too. My mum's mum was Jewish, and my own mum learned Hebrew a few years ago (bizarre!) - so I wouldn't say "I'm Jewish" per se, but perhaps that "I'm Jew-ish" :/ ).
 
Fucking irritates the hell out of me that people seem so incapable of understanding context. Why would 50,000 people regularly shout abuse to the team they support? Sorry if it means something different to someone else, but it's not directed at them, nor with the meaning they are taking - it's directed positively towards our football club - any other meaning or direction taking by others is simply their misunderstanding.

If I say "You'll Never Walk Alone" is offensive to me because my dad suffered severely from claustrophobia, will that be droning racket be banned too?

YID ARMY!

(EDIT: Ooh as Don Corleone Don Corleone mentioned it, I'm a bit Jewish too. My mum's mum was Jewish, and my own mum learned Hebrew a few years ago (bizarre!) - so I wouldn't say "I'm Jewish" per se, but perhaps that "I'm Jew-ish" :/ ).
People avoiding context so they can whip up controversy and police other people's behaviour. It's everywhere at the moment.
 
I'm glad antisemitism has been completely eradicated so we no longer have to use this term...

Mate, I wish you were right on this, but it was only at Southampton a few weeks ago that I heard a saints fan shout out "fuck off you skull cap wearing yid cunts" after we'd equalized.

I wasn't shocked apart from which set of fans said it. I expect it from the usual suspects of Chelsea and West Ham, but Southampton for fuck sake!
 
Late 70s.
I first recall Woolwich calling us it the season we returned to Division 1, but according to older mates it was about longer than that. It was certainly at that game that i recall us singing ourselves,
As boy going in the 70s l wasn't aware .

Remember not hearing it being chanted on the shelf late 70s .
First remember occasionally other fans using it to be offensive but in the 80s .
 
Side note:

I'd be more than happy to give it up in a split second, if the Jewish Spurs supporterbase requested it of us all.

But Baddiel? Or that FA arsehole, who willingly ignores racism, sexism and homophobia? They can fuck right off.
 
I was on the tube with Chelsea fans on the way to LC semi final. Songs about hanging me, fucking dead bodies etc. They also chanted "we can't say the y word" then hissed.

Removing the y word from us would only be a win for them and would allow them free reign to dish out antisemitism in blatant and subtle ways.

Every single one of my Jewish spurs mates fully supports it (non spurs ones as well) and has expressed how connected it makes them feel to the club. am I supposed to discount that?

Controlling what other people say is the first step for despots who want to control what other people think.
 
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