The word (and language) ‘Yiddish’ are still polite in the same way as the word ‘Pakistani’ is
The contraction of both is a pejorative.
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The contraction of both is a pejorative.
This is from 2 prominent Jewish fans and i think they speak quite eloquently about this.
I need to ask you why you get to speak for everyone else? If those words don't offend you then that's fine, how do you know those words used in isolation don't offend me or anyone else for that matter? Coming from an ethnic background and living in times where I've been subjected to enough racism in my time why do I need to see those words in print no matter the context.
I'm not comfortable with those words being used so freely and I'm not entirely comfortable with you using them so recklessly in order to make a point, I'm sure we both have our own experiences with racism and maybe you can deal with it better than me but you do not speak for me, sorry.
This is what this thread is about in essence, I've seen people in here double down on using the word Yid like they own it, if there's genuinely Jewish people out there who take offence to the word maybe we ought to stop and think about them as opposed to thinking what we are entitled to say...
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Why do you?
Yiddish and Pakistani ARE still polite, you are correct.
Yet 'PAKI' was never used by Pakistanis as a complimentary term between themselves... It was a racial slur invented by racists.
YID was already being used by Jewish people as a term of endearment between themselves. It was STOLEN by anti-Semites, not invented by them.
Surely you can see the difference in these two words?
I don't - I made a request and
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obliged and apologised.I aint the one acting all high and mighty in here...
This is a very good point.
I had a work colleague who never used a derogatory term in describing African-Americans but it was obvious when he used the current PC descriptor that he was being derogatory in his tone, context etc.
I’ve heard the word ‘Jew’ spat out as an insult.
The words ‘colored’ and ‘spastic’ were perfectly polite terms when I was a kid, have been replaced with other terms that have themselves fallen into disuse because they were also being used pejoratively. .
I fear that until we get to a point where we remove the negative connotations associated with the object or condition itself, changing terms for it is simply moving deck chairs on the Titanic.
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and I\ve explained why I feel it necessary to resist your kind of thinking.I don't - I made a request and
I aint the one acting all high and mighty in here...
True story: My wife (half Indian btw) once got told:
"You're ok, it them other Pakis I can't stand!"
Worst wedding speech I ever made!!!!!!
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You know that most racists and white supremacists are offended by black people and ethnic minorities don't you?!
Just cos someone is offended by it, doesn't mean it has to be cancelled!
Imagine a world where being black, brown, beige or Jewish was made illegal, just 'cos some racists found them 'offensive'?
Loads of people are offended by Frankie Boyle... Personally, I like the guy!! Does he get cancelled?
Offence is as objective as taste... Some people are offended/hate green olives, but I doubt they'd take them out of the shops...
I'm offended by Chelsea and West Ham fans hissing at us every time we play them.
Haven't seen them banned from WHL en masse because of it yet!!
I'm being facetious, I realise!!
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The lads smashed it when they asked the question:
"Why re-emphasise the aged, negative context of the word when you can continue to champion the positive and inclusive re-purposing of the word?"
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Bingo. "Market" economy in a tightly controlled and surveyed planned framework under political(*) control.
(*and I don't mean party politics, by neccesity)
This already happened. There was a BBC documentary not long after the Rudiger accusation, and it was very jarring how often the Spurs stadium footage was paired with the narrator going on about racism.
Tottenham Hotspur complains to BBC over The One Show 'racism claims'
Fans of Spurs, which has a prominent Jewish following, have branded the segment "disgusting" and called for the BBC to make a formal apologywww.birminghammail.co.uk
from the article:
In a game where no proof of racism against Rudiger was found, but chelsea fans were ejected for racism against Son, somehow Spurs ended up branded as the racists.
Textbook example about how mass media do business.
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Apparently it all happened "40 years ago" and things are sweet now.
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It doesn’t matter that we are not Jewish - that is the whole point - we are singing in solidarity with our Jewish fellow supporters - as their allies,. But also, as has been repeated many times, Yid, as used in the context of football, denotes supporters of Spurs. All of us.
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This shit is so common. Muslims who see my brown skin and muslim name think I'm one of them. They often drop their guard and start saying racist, anti-semitic and anti-non-muslim shit to me even though they've only known me for a few weeks.
I once spent a two hour ride to heathrow listening to a muslim Ugandan taxi driver telling me why Idi Amin was right to kick out all the Asians and how Uganda is much more Muslim now thanks to him. I guess he felt he could open up because he saw my mum sitting next to me wearing a headscarf.
I think the Y word is really unifying for Spurs fans generally. I have sung it at games with men, women, OAPs, adults, youths and kids. Black, Brown, White and East Asian people, with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs. When I sing it with those people I don't see their gender, race, age or religion, I just see a fellow Yid.
I have to agree. Hearing Chelsea chant on the tube "we can't say the word" and then hissing, exemplifies the issue for me. They won't stop, this will be a win for them. We will have to sit there and put up with the abuse.
I have never been to Chelsea away or been to a home game against West Ham or Chelsea where there wasn't rampant antisemitism.
Imagine it.
Taking a synonym for a marginalised group, that used to be a racist insult, and turning into a slogang uniting people through sports.
WE CANT HAVE THAT!