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Richard Arlison said:
Bottom 3 net spend in the last 5 seasons.
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How wrong can one person be ?

stevee said:
Yet another false narrative.

Liverpool spend since Klopp arrived

Gross £750m
Net £234m

Spurs spend since Klopp arrived
Gross £722m
Net £362m

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stevee said:
You'll get no argument from me on how shite our scouting and recruitment has been in recent years.

Who that is down to is debatable though.
It's too easy to say "it's all on Levy"

He's not stupid, he knows his limitations.

We had a ,sort of, DoF previously and are transfers were, on the whole, pretty good. When he left Poch didn't want one and wanted more say in who we signed.
Levy backed Poch in that decision. The duds you mentioned were Poch's picks.
Imagine the outrage on here if Levy had said "No Poch, you're not signing them".

Similarly every transfer is rubber stamped by the manager of the time. There's explicit evidence of this.
Obviously every manager would want to sign Messi, Mbappe, De Britney etc etc, but that isn't realistic.

We've now gone back to the DoF model, thank fuck, and our transfers seem to be improving with somebody competent identifying players.

People can't have it both ways.
They can't say that Levy gets too involved in transfers but then also complain when he backs the managers picks.
Similarly they can't complain when he employs specialists to do the job and then they buy crap.
Although some on here obviously will.

It's a no win situation for him.
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He employs the managers and the “specialists” so the buck surely stops with him? When we were on the cusp of greatness under Poch you can’t suggest that Poch didn’t want new players. He clearly couldn’t get the players he knew he needed so wasn’t about to sign off on shite alternatives scouted by the likes of Hitchen.
Granted, when the money became available, he squandered it on shite like teletubby but even then that waster was being lauded as the next big thing. It was too little, too late because when we were riding high, the cash was being held back for the new stadium. That last season at the old ground was probably the best season I’ve had overall as a Spurs fan. The football was brilliant and we were absolutely walking through most teams. That was the time to refresh after we just fell short. That’s what the big teams do. We weren’t all of a sudden going to break the glass ceiling with the same bunch who’d been together a while. A refresh when it would have counted would have set us up nicely instead of panic buying expensive flops after the team and manager burned out. We didn’t strike while the iron was hot and it is still costing us.
The CL run was incredible. But it was also blessed with good fortune until the final. That season, the cracks were huge and starting to crumble.

It could easily have been a win for Levy had he strengthened the squad alongside the infrastructure.

We are lurching from proven winner to proven winner with our managers but the squad needs some serious overhauling to compete at the highest level. We are still in control of top 4 this year, but for proven winners or ambitious footballers top 4 means very little if there isn’t a shiny cup to add to the haul. We need an immediate injection of quality so that players like Kane and managers like Conte aren’t left feeling like they are wasting their time with a club like Spurs and a chairman like Levy. This is the window I’m most interested in for a long time because it will show where the club intends to head.
 
Zomb said:
No-one wants to venture out that far for a concert. That’s the end of that
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Sad thing is we build “ the first purpose built NFL stadium outside the US”

The last games were s at Wembley & Munich . You’d think contractually we’d have guarantees for our purpose built stadium . Feels a bit unplanned, much like our transfer policy

There’s loads of stadium touring bands coming to the uk in 2023. So far we have 1
 
Lord only knows what lies ahead. More ENIC or richer owners willing to throw ££££££s at football.

The reality is the ESL was probably what ENIC needed more than anything.

But I still don’t think our fanbase would be able to hack another project manager at the moment. Arteta has had 3 and a half years and 6 months ago we were all laughing at him. Who can seriously say hand on heart they would be happy if we employed someone with his level of experience next?

Eddie Howe is working well at Newcastle but him (and potter) were considered “below” what we needed by many.
 
Belgrano said:
Behind the 'we want to win as much as every fan', is the reality that Levy/ENIC have calculated that top 4 is the sweet spot financially? That the extra outlay needed to actually win isn't worth the financial risk/reward. So when we get top 4, they don't push on.
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I'm not sure finishing top 4 is even that important to them tbh. Competing for top 4 and being in the mix is good enough to keep the cash cow productive.

When we do qualify we never make a concerted effort to push on and stay there.

Regular CL qualification brings increased demands and expectations from the fans which our owners will never, ever be prepared to meet.
 
stevee said:
Richard Arlison Richard Arlison

My bad...... we're 3rd highest for the last 2 years.
:mourbye:

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So since the new stadium has been open for a whole season then. This is our first full season in the CL with paying spectators. I expect our financial results for last year (with no CL football) to be pretty spectacular), and for us to spend much more moving forwards. The problem is more related to whether Levy will sanction the players Conte wants, or undermine him and sign players he does not want and has no intention of using (e.g. Spence).
 
Joan Thomas said:
I'm not sure finishing top 4 is even that important to them tbh. Competing for top 4 and being in the mix is good enough to keep the cash cow productive.

When we do qualify we never make a concerted effort to push on and stay there.

Regular CL qualification brings increased demands and expectations from the fans which our owners will never, ever be prepared to meet.
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Also means paying bonuses to players etc which takes some of the extra revenue. No doubt it irks Levy, though I’m sure he awards himself a nice performance bonus too. Bloke is an utter cunt
 
Boltonspur said:
It’s some of the shit that we waste money on that is disappointing. Whether it’s duds like Lo Celso or the fat Frenchman or players that the manager doesn’t want and won’t use like Spence (& N’Koudou etc before him). Our scouting has been largely abysmal (Kulu & Bentancur are great signings to be fair) and whilst we can’t afford to compete financially with clubs like United or city, we could certainly be far more careful with the money we have.
And that starts and ends with the people who employ the scouts/analysts.
We hang on to shit and/or declining players for too long and seem to have an aversion to cutting our losses or even being outright ruthless in getting rid of anyone other than managers.
We have to get it right. For an age, it was all about getting the infrastructure in to compete. That’s not an excuse any more so penny pinching and brinksmanship are no longer options. Nor is half arsing with cheap and promising alternatives.
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Yes got to agree..well said!
 
Richard Arlison said:
In the last 5 years Spurs are bottom 3 for net spend.
150m is two players if you are signing players to win.
Woolwich have absolutely outspent ENIC over the last 2-3 seasons.

They appointed Conte and gave the impression they were about winning and doing things differently. Will they deliver on that promise? Looks like a lot of fans don’t have much faith that they will.
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There you go again talking about the last 5 years That includes time before the benefit of the increased stadium income kicked in. What about the last year? Fans wanted more money spent, Levy taking a backseat, getting players in early in the window, buying before selling . They have done that. The last 2 transfer windows have seen an improvement. We have a top Manager Whether you like him or not.
The recent problems in the club are on the field. We had the 2nd highest number of minutes played in the WC after MC showing we have players that our players are highly respected. If the results are not there and the performances it is down to the Managers and players. ENIC and Levy do not pick the team or the style and yes they should have known how Conte works but fans were happy with him last season. We have no reason to believe that we will not improve the squad in January and with the 4 major players missing yesterday back, perform better in forthcoming matches.
 
spursmalc said:
There you go again talking about the last 5 years That includes time before the benefit of the increased stadium income kicked in. What about the last year? Fans wanted more money spent, Levy taking a backseat, getting players in early in the window, buying before selling . They have done that. The last 2 transfer windows have seen an improvement. We have a top Manager Whether you like him or not.
The recent problems in the club are on the field. We had the 2nd highest number of minutes played in the WC after MC showing we have players that our players are highly respected. If the results are not there and the performances it is down to the Managers and players. ENIC and Levy do not pick the team or the style and yes they should have known how Conte works but fans were happy with him last season. We have no reason to believe that we will not improve the squad in January and with the 4 major players missing yesterday back, perform better in forthcoming matches.
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I do rate the manager.

Why do you think the last year has been better?
All the teams around us and even West Ham invested more on their squads than Spurs in the last year.
150m sounds like a lot but it’s 2 players for our direct rivals and they still didn’t use all of it in the summer window.
What makes you think Levy has taken a back seat? Every quote from Conte mentions Levy being involved.
 
Richard Arlison said:
I do rate the manager.

Why do you think the last year has been better?
All the teams around us and even West Ham invested more on their squads than Spurs in the last year.
150m sounds like a lot but it’s 2 players for our direct rivals and they still didn’t use all of it in the summer window.
What makes you think Levy has taken a back seat? Every quote from Conte mentions Levy being involved.
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He’s less involved in closing deals with agents IMO. Transfers done quicker other than the disastrous 3 months he took to close Spence (which the manager clearly didn’t want and Paratici didn’t touch).
 
Zomb said:
He’s less involved in closing deals with agents IMO. Transfers done quicker other than the disastrous 3 months he took to close Spence (which the manager clearly didn’t want and Paratici didn’t touch).
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Def looks like Spence deal was Levy. Doesn’t mean Paratici and the other members of the transfer committee weren’t involved in identifying him but it certainly looks political for Conte when he won’t play him.
 
Boltonspur said:
It’s some of the shit that we waste money on that is disappointing. Whether it’s duds like Lo Celso or the fat Frenchman or players that the manager doesn’t want and won’t use like Spence (& N’Koudou etc before him). Our scouting has been largely abysmal (Kulu & Bentancur are great signings to be fair) and whilst we can’t afford to compete financially with clubs like United or city, we could certainly be far more careful with the money we have.
And that starts and ends with the people who employ the scouts/analysts.
We hang on to shit and/or declining players for too long and seem to have an aversion to cutting our losses or even being outright ruthless in getting rid of anyone other than managers.
We have to get it right. For an age, it was all about getting the infrastructure in to compete. That’s not an excuse any more so penny pinching and brinksmanship are no longer options. Nor is half arsing with cheap and promising alternatives.
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As Conte said, we can't afford to make mistakes in the transfer market. We have a narrow path to success, and it involves getting most of our transfers right.

A lot of damage to the squad was done in the Hitchen years, so it's natural it will take time to recover. But as you say, recruitment success since is still too mixed.

Very clearly, it's been good from Italy (Romero, Kulusevski, Bentancur, Perisic, Udogie). Mixed success from England (Bissouma, Richarlison, Spence). Horrible from other leagues (Emerson, Gil, Sarr). Still can't believe we traded Lamela (a far better player) AND £22million for Gil.

There are some signs Paratici is aware of this, as he's added to the recruitment/scouting team. Which hopefully will mean we can buy successfully from multiple leagues in future. In the meantime, sticking to Serie A has served us well, so I'm much happier seeing links from there than from other leagues.
 
Belgrano said:
As Conte said, we can't afford to make mistakes in the transfer market. We have a narrow path to success, and it involves getting most of our transfers right.

A lot of damage to the squad was done in the Hitchen years, so it's natural it will take time to recover. But as you say, recruitment success since is still too mixed.

Very clearly, it's been good from Italy (Romero, Kulusevski, Bentancur, Perisic, Udogie). Mixed success from England (Bissouma, Richarlison, Spence). Horrible from other leagues (Emerson, Gil, Sarr). Still can't believe we traded Lamela (a far better player) AND £22million for Gil.

There are some signs Paratici is aware of this, as he's added to the recruitment/scouting team. Which hopefully will mean we can buy successfully from multiple leagues in future. In the meantime, sticking to Serie A has served us well, so I'm much happier seeing links from there than from other leagues.
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Is it possible that Conte did not want Bissouma?

That is what I am asking myself.

He didn't want Spence and has ignored him.

Perhaps Bissouma wasn't his pick either.
 
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