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Competition Winning a trophy - is it important?
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The thread poses a good faith question, but I don't think any fan up and down the leagues truly thinks trophies aren't important
Are they the ONLY thing?
Nope. All those who have moaned loudly about lost DNA, style of football, feeling disconnected etc. ought to have learned that lesson over recent seasons.
.......As I noted above it's all well and good sacrificing X or Y in pursuit of Z, but you've got to be prepared to not win prize Z in that scenario.
The PL is a competition. The CL is a competition. The EL is a competition. The FA cup is a competition. The league cup is a competition.
A competition is something where you compete to win. There is a prize for the best team. Its called a trophy. Its the highest honour. If you dont have your eye on that prize, what on earth are you doing there in the first place? How many footballers don’t dream of lifting a trophy?
Some fans can say “I just want to be entertained, meet my mates and have a pie”. Thats fine. I dont have an issue with them if that’s their happy place. But I have seen us win trophies, I remember that feeling of real success and I want it back. Yes, I want us to go all out to win a trophy, and if that’s the ECL trophy with the youngsters stepping up in some overseas zero daylight outpost against a bunch of bandits and dustmen, so be it.
Get out there next season and strive to get one. Do it or die trying.
A competition is something where you compete to win. There is a prize for the best team. Its called a trophy. Its the highest honour. If you dont have your eye on that prize, what on earth are you doing there in the first place? How many footballers don’t dream of lifting a trophy?
Some fans can say “I just want to be entertained, meet my mates and have a pie”. Thats fine. I dont have an issue with them if that’s their happy place. But I have seen us win trophies, I remember that feeling of real success and I want it back. Yes, I want us to go all out to win a trophy, and if that’s the ECL trophy with the youngsters stepping up in some overseas zero daylight outpost against a bunch of bandits and dustmen, so be it.
Get out there next season and strive to get one. Do it or die trying.
Or...any.
1 trophy in over 2 decades and some here talk as if the Conference league is somehow below us.
We should never have decided to go down the Conte/Jose route because there are managers who play better football who suit our type of club more who also win stuff. The 'negative football wins stuff' fallacy is a load of rubbish, based on a few coaches who are negative but manage to win, vs a legion of managers who play positive football and win.
As was the Europa League.
It's not below us as a club but I just can't bring myself to care about it. If we got to a final I'd probably wake up a bit but its just such a mind-numbingly pointless competition that I struggle to really care enough.
The EL handled the 'best of the rest' question. Do we really need a 'best of the rest of the rest' one?
They were hired to sell tickets at the megadome.
It was an illusion.
Only ENIC under Levy would hire two 'win now' managers and not give them what they ask for. No other top 6 side would behave that way.
It amazes me how a percentage of supporters will now accept a 'project' manager due to the sequence of events, since Poch was sacked.
Spurs need 'win now' owners; not a project manager.
Currently Real Betis, Roma, Leverkeusen and Rennes would be in the conference league and maybe us along with some teams that drop from Europa League. Why not give it a go if we end up in it ?Its certainly better than the top 4 trophy we seem to be going for every year.
As I'm sure I've pointed out many times before ; a LOT of our fans were pro either or both of those appointments and as per the thread this is a question of what is important to the individual fan.
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Good question. Yes, or sort of.
Of late as in the last 12 months to 18 months, it's become a Harry Kane deserves to go to a club where he can win trophies which is just bizarre coming from Spurs fans, especially when that may come at our expense. Utterly the stuff of complete buffoonery.
It's been great in the last few years to have been competitive. I think that's the thing that matters to me and why Conte waa so disappointing.
Aside from a short period, he did not restore that sense of parity with the better teams.
It would be fantastic to see our captain lift a trophyn if for nothing else than to devour the glory of it.
More than anything it's that which I would be looking in the eye for any prospective new manager
Of late as in the last 12 months to 18 months, it's become a Harry Kane deserves to go to a club where he can win trophies which is just bizarre coming from Spurs fans, especially when that may come at our expense. Utterly the stuff of complete buffoonery.
It's been great in the last few years to have been competitive. I think that's the thing that matters to me and why Conte waa so disappointing.
Aside from a short period, he did not restore that sense of parity with the better teams.
It would be fantastic to see our captain lift a trophyn if for nothing else than to devour the glory of it.
More than anything it's that which I would be looking in the eye for any prospective new manager
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And it plays into the media obsession of the Champions League or your domestic league or nothing.
If we're never going to produce a team that will compete at the highest level and challenge for the league and/or CL, then yeah, would love to win a League/FA/ECL cup.
But I would rather go trophyless in the minor cups for a few more years, if that means that after that time we have a team that has the potential to win the league or a CL title. I'd rather one prestigious trophy than a bunch of second-rate ones.
And don't bother replying "it ain't happening with Levy, cause he only wants 4th." I am just stating a hypothetical irrespective of the ownership.
But I would rather go trophyless in the minor cups for a few more years, if that means that after that time we have a team that has the potential to win the league or a CL title. I'd rather one prestigious trophy than a bunch of second-rate ones.
And don't bother replying "it ain't happening with Levy, cause he only wants 4th." I am just stating a hypothetical irrespective of the ownership.
This is a virtue-signaling emotional bargaining process for fans on the internet that doesn't describe the real world.
In the real world the fact that our leadership doesn't care and doesn't consider it a failure that we have an empty trophy cabinet has rotted the fish from the head down.
You play to win the game.
You can call it what you want. At the end of the day, if we had won that CL final in 2019 it would have tidied most of us over for another trophyless 15 years.
If we had won 3-4 League cups since 2008 and Woolwich had won just a solitary CL or league title, whose position do you think we would rather be in?
Unless you're Palace or Leeds or West Ham or Everton or Villa or... Wigan, you don't play to win just any game. You play to win the big game.
Daniel would like to make it very clear that supporters are paying for cookies, that’s paying not playing… but at £4.95 each (minimum purchase of 5 cookies) I’m sure you’ll agree they’re value for money when considered against other London based catering outlets.
SpursPlay puts cookies on your computer, but you have to pay for them.Daniel would like to make it very clear that supporters are paying for cookies, that’s paying not playing… but at £4.95 each (minimum purchase of 5 cookies) I’m sure you’ll agree they’re value for money when considered against other London based catering outlets.
Well, that is nothing new. We all know the baldy doesn't care about winning as long as he cashes in.Daniel would like to make it very clear that supporters are paying for cookies, that’s paying not playing… but at £4.95 each (minimum purchase of 5 cookies) I’m sure you’ll agree they’re value for money when considered against other London based catering outlets.