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Nuts · 5 Jul 2023

Shadydan said:
If you're going to make a massive assumption about me you perhaps ought to read all my posts not just the ones you selectively read just because they make you all warm and fuzzy inside:

That should answer your question.

Just because I'm not smashing up my keyboard and acting pretend outraged like you guys do and apportioning every single piece of blame that you can muster in this thread doesn't mean I'm ENIC in which by the whole in/out thing is the most childish way to argue because it generally lacks nuance. As I said I push back against all the nonsense which is hilarious to me that people need to stretch the truth about them as if there isn't enough to beat them with a stick with.

Believe it or not, things aren't that quite deep for me when it comes to football these days so you're right actually I don't care as much about football like I once did, I am completely at the acceptance stage with them now. I'm at a point in my life where I can honestly think of a million things better to do than to protest especially since nothing is going to change and especially since ENIC will leave when they are good and ready. You obviously care more than me and good for you, you cannot and will not accept them being in charge of our club then fucking go and do something about it.

And to avoid any sort of confusion you seem to have let's get it right, posting criticism against the owners when they deserve it is more than absolutely fine. Posting constant diatribe, falsehoods, half truths, twisting things, having bad faith arguments, straw-mannning debates purely because you want to win some internet points to get one over the "ENIC in" crowd is keyboard warriorism and peak internet gangsterism.

Anyway I must get back to shining the ENIC halo until they inevitably piss me off come the end of the transfer window.

"If our fanbase actually acted like they give a damn and got off their self entitled asses and bothered to partake in a coherent protest towards these chumps them maybe just maybe that would at least force some change or some action, why is it the vast majority of other fanbases can come together when they're not happy with how their club is being ran but this fanbase act like Internet Gangstas and keyboard warriors."

Shadydan said:
Believe it or not, things aren't that quite deep for me when it comes to football these days so you're right actually I don't care as much about football like I once did, I am completely at the acceptance stage with them now. I'm at a point in my life where I can honestly think of a million things better to do than to protest especially since nothing is going to change and especially since ENIC will leave when they are good and ready. You obviously care more than me and good for you, you cannot and will not accept them being in charge of our club then fucking go and do something about it.

Then who are you to preach to others when you're supposedly so detached? - which btw you're not given the amount of time you've spent chastising others on here for their anti-Levy sentiments. Do you not see that you're the fake in this? You're supposedly Levy out but have a go at others for being Levy out. The fans make their sentiments audibly clear and you disparage them. At least most of the others who make an argument here are pro-Levy and don't pretend otherwise.

You're the ultimate armchair wind-up merchant.

Kane you believe it · 5 Jul 2023

Is anyone familiar with our 2022 financial annual report?

I see we have multiple property subsidiaries and appear to have spent 31 million on "property, plant and equipment"

19 million of which spent on "Assets under the course of construction"

It would be good to know how this 31 million investment benefits us in on foeld activities the long run, or does the property just boost the value of the club for an eventual sale

Nuts · 5 Jul 2023

stevee said:
Here's my question;

Why are the vast majority of Levy out guys not first on the picket line.

Some, such as Deuterz (I think) have a valid reason.
Others that do attend games and still refuse to join are just keyboard warriors looking for likes on here

That's not the point I've been making or what I'm going to answer. Everybody has their reason.

I'm going to bullet point this to make it totally clear:

Shady said he was Levy out
Shady chastised others for being vocal online for being Levy out and said if they give a damn they should join the protests
Shady did not join any protests therefore Shady didn't give a damn (which was the charge he made against them which wound them up)
Shady now says he's not that bothered these days despite clearly being bothered
Shady talks shit

stevee · 5 Jul 2023

Nuts said:
That's not the point I've been making or what I'm going to answer. Everybody has their reason.

I'm going to bullet point this to make it totally clear:

Shady said he was Levy out

Shady chastised others for being vocal online for being Levy out and said if they give a damn they should join the protests

Shady did not join any protests therefore Shady didn't give a damn (which was the charge he made against them which wound them up)

Shady now says he's not that bothered these days despite clearly being bothered

Shady talks shit

I'll bullet point my view

1. Shadydan said he was Enic out
2. You asked if he was on the picket line
3 . Did you ask other Levy outers why they were not on the picket line
4. You should criticise anybody, and I do mean anybody, that claims to be Enic out but don't go to protests.
5. Not doing so makes you as much of a hypocrite as you accuse Shadydan of being.
6. I don't believe that Shadydan is, or ever was, truly Enic out but that is a different argument to the one I am making.

Nuts · 5 Jul 2023

stevee said:
I'll bullet point my view

1. Shadydan said he was Enic out
2. You asked if he was on the picket line
3 . Did you ask other Levy outers why they were not on the picket line
4. You should criticise anybody, and I do mean anybody, that claims to be Enic out but don't go to protests.
5. Not doing so makes you as much of a hypocrite as you accuse Shadydan of being.
6. I don't believe that Shadydan is, or ever was, truly Enic out but that is a different argument to the one I am making.

No, I asked why he was not the first on the picket line. I knew damn well he wasn't!

Again, my original post is not about Levy in or out, it's about Shady claiming to be something I don't believe he is. I've watched him for a fair while now and I think he takes pleasure in winding people up so I have no problem going at him when he casually claimed to be Levy out when his posting history suggested otherwise. And him saying that he was doesn't mean that he was. I can say I'm a vegan, but I'll finish a bargain bucket in 5 mins.

Shadydan · 5 Jul 2023

Nuts said:
"If our fanbase actually acted like they give a damn and got off their self entitled asses and bothered to partake in a coherent protest towards these chumps them maybe just maybe that would at least force some change or some action, why is it the vast majority of other fanbases can come together when they're not happy with how their club is being ran but this fanbase act like Internet Gangstas and keyboard warriors."

Then who are you to preach to others when you're supposedly so detached? - which btw you're not given the amount of time you've spent chastising others on here for their anti-Levy sentiments. Do you not see that you're the fake in this? You're supposedly Levy out but have a go at others for being Levy out. The fans make their sentiments audibly clear and you disparage them. At least most of the others who make an argument here are pro-Levy and don't pretend otherwise.

You're the ultimate armchair wind-up merchant.

The amount of time I spend on the internet is my business and doesn't compare to the amount of time and money I could spend following the club, going to matches, going to protests so please don't act like you know the ins and outs in my life and try and use that as a 'win' against me, you don't know what the fuck you're on about.

No, once again and as much as you try and twist my words I'll make it perfectly clear, I don't have a go at those who are ENIC out, I have a go at the keyboard warriors who have a set agenda, who partake in bad faith arguments, those outright lie etc...if they're going to those lengths to speak ill of the board, spam their vitriol all over the internet and really hate them that much then go fucking do something about it as opposed to leaving your negative shit all over the forum.

And can I ask you why you've removed the other parts of that post seeing as that provides full context? Another bad faith argument, what a surprise. The conversation your quoted was about protesting and what our fanbase should be doing as opposed to what they were doing at the time (booing). I argued that they shouldn't be booing the team or individual players and going after the board, I can say that because doing the former affects the team and players negatively hence why I have a strong opinion against it. These are the same fans who are turning up and paying money to watch the team, the same fans that complain about the ticket prices yet boo our players like it's their fault, that reeks of self entitlement.

This either/or shit just needs to stop, it's almost as if you struggle to comprehend that you can hold a multitude of opinions on something/someone without being on a side. I prefer to show some decency and respect ENIC who put our club in this place yet agree that their time is over and ought to move on, just because I'm not an extremist unlike some people and generally chastise them at every opportunity nor do I pour adulation about them at every given opportunity..

So as I said I am firmly at the acceptance stage, you either put up with them or shut the hell up because they're not going anywhere and your faux outrage isn't making any difference whatsoever.

Zomb · 5 Jul 2023

Kane you believe it said:
Is anyone familiar with our 2022 financial annual report?

I see we have multiple property subsidiaries and appear to have spent 31 million on "property, plant and equipment"

19 million of which spent on "Assets under the course of construction"

It would be good to know how this 31 million investment benefits us in on foeld activities the long run, or does the property just boost the value of the club for an eventual sale

Don’t get me wrong I would cheer if Lewis/Levy died tomorrow so absolutely not a blind follower, but i actually trust them to invest 30M to grow revenue accordingly.

Nuts · 5 Jul 2023

Shadydan said:
The amount of time I spend on the internet is my business and doesn't compare to the amount of time and money I could spend following the club, going to matches, going to protests so please don't act like you know the ins and outs in my life and try and use that as a 'win' against me, you don't know what the fuck you're on about.

No, once again and as much as you try and twist my words I'll make it perfectly clear, I don't have a go at those who are ENIC out, I have a go at the keyboard warriors who have a set agenda, who partake in bad faith arguments, those outright lie etc...if they're going to those lengths to speak ill of the board, spam their vitriol all over the internet and really hate them that much then go fucking do something about it as opposed to leaving your negative shit all over the forum.

And can I ask you why you've removed the other parts of that post seeing as that provides full context? Another bad faith argument, what a surprise. The conversation your quoted was about protesting and what our fanbase should be doing as opposed to what they were doing at the time (booing). I argued that they shouldn't be booing the team or individual players and going after the board, I can say that because doing the former affects the team and players negatively hence why I have a strong opinion against it. These are the same fans who are turning up and paying money to watch the team, the same fans that complain about the ticket prices yet boo our players like it's their fault, that reeks of self entitlement.

Have another Shady quote then:

"Good post, I'd say Spurs fans are like Britons in which they constantly moan about the government and the state of the country but don't do anything about it, maybe Liverpool fans are like the French where they're prepared to burn shit tot he ground to force a change, maybe not that extreme but you know..."

Only keyboard warriors eh?

There was negativity because it was a fucking mess of a season. The online virtiol you mention was anger given form by words. A lot of fans - myself included - were livid with the way their club has been run. You cannot expect them to be as detached as you and, if you're as detached as you claim, you have no place in preaching to them.

All you've done is sit in your chair and been a warrior against them despite the fact you claim to be on the same side. You've offered nothing proactive.

Any self-proclaimed ENIC outers who chastise others for not 'getting out there and doing something' have no grounds to criticise others who choose to voice their opinion on the internet. They're just doing exactly the same as you: voicing their opinions on the internet.

Lenny Hatchet · 5 Jul 2023

BernardMatthews said:
I doubt it.

The loudest backers of Ange all seem to refer to other spurs fans as poms, own a didgeridoo and eat Vegemite every other day.

They could easily become the loudest Levy outers.

The funny thing is Angelos is really Greek , born in Athens , ethnicity Hellenic 100% and Rolf Harris types like to shorten names .
I think it's clutching at straws or sticking a possum up your jacksee.

Lenny Hatchet · 5 Jul 2023

stevee said:
Here's my question;

Why are the vast majority of Levy out guys not first on the picket line.

Some, such as Deuterz (I think) have a valid reason.
Others that do attend games and still refuse to join are just keyboard warriors looking for likes on here

I detest the little tosser but
I've got a banning order .

WillWilliams · 5 Jul 2023

Lenny Hatchet said:
The funny thing is Angelos is really Greek , born in Athens , ethnicity Hellenic 100% and Rolf Harris types like to shorten names .
I think it's clutching at straws or sticking a possum up your jacksee.

Strewth mate. Fair dinkum there.

Blokes more Australian than an emu and a dingo sitting on Ayers Rock.

Honest John · 5 Jul 2023

Kane you believe it said:
Is anyone familiar with our 2022 financial annual report?

I see we have multiple property subsidiaries and appear to have spent 31 million on "property, plant and equipment"

19 million of which spent on "Assets under the course of construction"

It would be good to know how this 31 million investment benefits us in on foeld activities the long run, or does the property just boost the value of the club for an eventual sale

Honestly fella,. Trying to make anything of the clubs finances and you'll be combing through a mysterious labyrinth of subsidiary companies and enterprises that probably just, just... fall on the safe side of fiscal regulations and legality.

It's probably safer to just use reliable sources such as Forbes or Deloitte, and undeniable facts like 0 trophies since a solitary 2008 Carling cup, to form a well substantiated opinion of how the club is being run and what it's being used for.

Good luck!

scott · 5 Jul 2023

Nuts said:
This isn't about whether I agree with what he's said or not (I don't btw) but whether I think Shady was Levy out as he claimed (I don't). But if he is Levy out then why he's saying folk who are Levy out and voicing their opinions on the internet should get out there and act on it when he clearly wasn't? It's that simple. One way or the other he's outing himself as a fraud.

I don't have a problem with anybody having an opinion on this or which side of the fence their on. Debates are good. I just don't like frauds on the wind up.

I thought it was common knowledge shadydan is a troll. Pretended to hate levy whilst attacking levy haters & defending him non stop. Odd guy. He told me he hated levy whilst attacking me for criticising him & just went around defending any criticism of him. But harmless I guess.
As you say either way he has snookered himself with the protest point. He is either a fraud or a contradicting big old hypocrite!

Shadydan · 5 Jul 2023

Nuts said:
Have another Shady quote then:

"Good post, I'd say Spurs fans are like Britons in which they constantly moan about the government and the state of the country but don't do anything about it, maybe Liverpool fans are like the French where they're prepared to burn shit tot he ground to force a change, maybe not that extreme but you know..."

Only keyboard warriors eh?

There was negativity because it was a fucking mess of a season. The online virtiol you mention was anger given form by words. A lot of fans - myself included - were livid with the way their club has been run. You cannot expect them to be as detached as you and, if you're as detached as you claim, you have no place in preaching to them.

All you've done is sit in your chair and been a warrior against them despite the fact you claim to be on the same side. You've offered nothing proactive.

Any self-proclaimed ENIC outers who chastise others for not 'getting out there and doing something' have no grounds to criticise others who choose to voice their opinion on the internet. They're just doing exactly the same as you: voicing their opinions on the internet.

So not content with Internet gangsterism, you're now into Internet stalkerism, are there no bounds to your skill set

The online vitriol has been going on for years not just last season, it's just heightened this season because of the situation we currently find ourselves in, when I joined the site in 2021 the same shit was being said albeit not as loud, same old Levy this Levy that, Enic out blah blah, even before that on SC and Twitter. it's nothing new and nothing to do with this season. I'm not even asking them to be as detached as me, how have we even got here? I don't expect anyone to be...what I'm asking of them is to go and back the courage of their convictions

You didn't read a word I said in my last post did you, you know the post you took out of context and the but you ignored, I literally explained why I called them out. If you're turning up to matches booing our players then ultimately you need to fuck off. Booing players negatively affects the team and the players, that is where as a fan will voice my opinion because whether you like it or not your support has a direct correlation to what happens on the pitch, if you're going to turn up and act like an arsehole then do it to the right people.

And on that you can call it voicing your opinion on the internet (lolz), I call it being a cunt, stop being a cunt then I won't call you out. :thumbup:

At this point I don't even know what your point is, seems like you're firmly on this one-upmanship train and desperately trying to get a win against me, there's no other reason why I'm living this much in your head rent free.

MiddxSpur · 5 Jul 2023

stevee said:
Here's my question;

Why are the vast majority of Levy out guys not first on the picket line.

Some, such as Deuterz (I think) have a valid reason.
Others that do attend games and still refuse to join are just keyboard warriors looking for likes on here

Hi, not looking to argue or fight. Just want to explain my perspective that probably differs from you. As I have written a few times in the past I no longer believe that Enic view trophies as a priority. (Do you think they do?)
I think their long term aim is keeping us in and around the top 4 & maximising other commercial activities so that they can increase the overall asset value.
I don’t believe they are going to sell for a number of years because there are still potential revenue opportunities to exploit.

So I’m a season ticket holder, I join in the Levy out chants when I’m in the ground and post my views on this forum hoping to persuade others but I have never joined the picket line Levy out protesters & I absolutely do not hate Levy or Lewis. They just business men doing what very wealthy people do. I don’t think that makes me a hypocrite. I think I am a realist.
In my view If Levy and Enic aren’t put under pressure, if they continue to get an easy ride then they will continue to run the club as they have done with the same terrible trophy record as a consequence.
In some ways my anti Levy & Enic actions are purely tactical. Its to make them feel that the worm has turned. Enough is enough. Sort it out!!
I am certain you adore the club, how do you think we fans, as a collective, can best bring about a change of direction?

scott · 5 Jul 2023

Joan Thomas said:
Or, as TFC legend Arcspace would say....... . ENDED

Case closed! Shady should have took a guilty plea! Exposed!!!

Nuts · 5 Jul 2023

Shadydan said:
So not content with Internet gangsterism, you're now into Internet stalkerism, are there no bounds to your skill set

The online vitriol has been going on for years not just last season, it's just heightened this season because of the situation we currently find ourselves in, when I joined the site in 2021 the same shit was being said albeit not as loud, same old Levy this Levy that, Enic out blah blah, even before that on SC and Twitter. it's nothing new and nothing to do with this season. I'm not even asking them to be as detached as me, how have we even got here? I don't expect anyone to be...what I'm asking of them is to go and back the courage of their convictions

You didn't read a word I said in my last post did you, you know the post you took out of context and the but you ignored, I literally explained why I called them out. If you're turning up to matches booing our players then ultimately you need to fuck off. Booing players negatively affects the team and the players, that is where as a fan will voice my opinion because whether you like it or not your support has a direct correlation to what happens on the pitch, if you're going to turn up and act like an arsehole then do it to the right people.

And on that you can call it voicing your opinion on the internet (lolz), I call it being a cunt, stop being a cunt then I won't call you out.

At this point I don't even know what your point is, seems like you're firmly on this one-upmanship train and desperately trying to get a win against me, there's no other reason why I'm living this much in your head rent free.

I've watched you inflame threads this year and contradict yourself left right and centre and I've called you out on it. That's why.

Your anti-Levy against anti-Levyist shite doesn't sit well with me.

Re booing. I'm no fan of booing players but I respect fans' rights to make their discontent heard. There were many more who chanted 'Levy out' which I think was a more effective proactive stance.

You've practically admitted that you couldn't give a damn. You are detached, by your own admission and yet you vent your anger at Spurs fans who do give shit and are very much attached to the club. You believe inaction is the best course action. I think it's pretty bloody clear based on how much attention our online and in-ground discontent was getting from the media - not to mention Levy's visual discomfort at matches - that the message was very much getting through. All you've been is a passive armchair warrior decrying fans for being armchair warriors.

I'm not going to keep going in circles with this because I've gone about this too much today. But understand this: I think you're inclined to wind other fans up for sport and you pretend to be what you're not. And I find that sad as you sometimes make decent points in other areas. And you have a decent sense of humour. But there it is.

ArtyB · 5 Jul 2023

Shadydan · 5 Jul 2023

scott said:
I thought it was common knowledge shadydan is a troll. Pretended to hate levy whilst attacking levy haters & defending him non stop. Odd guy. He told me he hated levy whilst attacking me for criticising him & just went around defending any criticism of him. But harmless I guess.
As you say either way he has snookered himself with the protest point. He is either a fraud or a contradicting big old hypocrite!

Another barefaced lie from you, what a surprise. :ledley:

Got to find it funny that Levy is pulling it out the bag and silencing you this Summer so seeing as you lot can't get at him you need to attack another target just to compel your miserable existences and fulfil your hateful agenda

And failing miserably at that may I add.

HotShotTottenham · 5 Jul 2023

ArtyB said:

Make Bayern bleed?

Well, if it bleeds, we can kill it.

Oh, they meant money.

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